LFR Casuals and epic facepalm

[Queen of Hamsters]

That's true, but he's not even spectacular. 5/8 heroic, that's it? There's videos for every boss fight now, anything less than 8/8 HM is just a "casual" player. OP is just crying cause they can't beat the lootship of Cataclysm.

It's like they say, the truly pro and hardcore players, do not care about what others do in LFR, they do not try to brag openly about what they've achieved in-game, they do not cry and whine about "easy" since they're too busy with the truly hard content and they also manage to clear it before it's outdated.

I didn't believe that at first, but the OP and his fellow whiners just confirms it really.

[Rixis]

And your only point of posting, was to ask a stupid question?

Obviously there's still tons of porn mags, I basically get 10 of them shoved up my face whenever I lean over to get my Herman Hedning.

Herp.

my poijnt of posting was to ascertain why whether or not i've been laid was relevant to the topic, if you try seeing who i've quoted and who he's quoted, and now you are helping us further derail this topic for no reason

[Queen of Hamsters]

Wait a minute..

Am I in an alternate dimension?

I could've sworn that OP had created his last thread (of many spread throughout two months) to slander the quality of WoW in and judge how other games like SWToR are better series, like.. maybe two weeks ago?

Odd.. if he had stated to leave WoW so many times -- due to its quality-- before..

OP.. are you a big fat liar? No wait!


We should let the community of MMO-Champion choose!

I vote for A sad Little Person.

[senshu]

I've been in enough LFR runs to know that if you were half as good as you claim to be, the boss would have died.

[shise]

so 90% wow players are bads dumb people and you +0.5% hardcorewannabies are so PRO that needs to QQ about LFR when gearing alts /facepalm

imho HC raiders = nolifers nerds doing some PVE script bosses trololol

OP is clearly not that good player. Good players don´t disrespect bad players, they just go on with their business.

But, in the other hand,a player who really can´t pull more than 10k DPS and is AFK should not be allowed to join a group. Not because he is bad, just because he doesn´t give a damn about other people around him.. he did´t even bother to check how to play his class and that´s screwing the rest of players experience.. as you would say...


AFK... "he has a life he might have to do something".. No. If you are in a raid you do not have a life while you are playing. I had to stop raiding because I no longer had four non stop hours to play, so i just sopped instead of going AFK every 15 minutes.... it´s like people who says "brb dinner" i mean.. go and die :P


So, prick elitists are as bad as nubcakes who doesn´t care about what to socket... in the long run, the elitist makes you lose as much time as the half dpsing afk player because he can´t stop complaining. A good player is the one who won´t be talking crap about the obvious and the one who will do his job.

Complainning about a bad player doesn´t show how good you are but how child and distracted you can be.

And btw, casual is not the same as bad, a casual is the one who can´t play that much, when you usually talk about people who doesn´t want to put any effort for the game and want it all easy as it is you call them bad players, not casuals.

[namelessone]

Oh gods, it's this guy again. Come on, SWTOR is out, why don't you quit this game already if you hate it so much?

[VanishO2]

It is LFR for a reason.

What is the difference between you and them?

You apparently have more skill overall compared to them right?

So while you are wiping on 5/8heroic DS they are wiping on their 5/8LFR. When you clear H Madness you will rejoice in happiness, and when they clear LFR Madness, the same will happen with them...

Guess their reaction are more in line with "stupid game, didn't drop my [piece of gear]". lol

[Deleted]

But I'll also kick someone pulling 50k DPS if they're being a whiny little bitch about everything.
As long as we kill stuff and don't wipe to stupid crap, I don't care how much DPS anyone other than myself does. I go in there and worry about myself.

If I could award you the internet for the most win post ever, I would.

Seriously, I wish that some people would just grow the fuck up. so what if your in heroics on your main and getting your kicks there, and other people are getting there enjoyment from LFR ? so what if there only pulling 10k dps. using auto attacks with badly enchanted and gemmed gear, whilst your doing double that in a lower Ilevel on your alt, two questions you need to ask yourself in this situation is

1 - is the boss going to die,
2 - are there others to help cover the low dps ?

if the answer to both of these is no, then start looking for another group, however if the answer to either of these is yes (and lets face it LFR is a steam roll with people who have a slight clue how to play) then your going to have no problems.

Remember LFR is heavily under tuned content delibratly to allow people to brute force it in Firelands normal Ilevel gear. if you want a challenge on your alt then why not run it through DS normal in a 10 man or 25 man group. Just do us all a favour and stop bitching about a system that was designed for people to go in and face roll regardless of there playing ability. It stinks of elitism and does not make you look big or cleaver.

[VanishO2]

lol, alot of your HC Raiders excel in PVP as well, and alot of these hardcore raiders have a life that nobody else expects :P

can casuals are not necessarily bad imo, there are alot of so called raiders who suck in everything, and there are alot of PVP players that can get off scripted fire on the ground as well

bads are bads, there is no certain group in society associated with them. they are just what they are, bads

Shhs, don't do it... don't burst his bubble. God forbid he learns that most of the top pvp players are those "heroic pve heroes"... let him look cool saying that...

[Dembai]

Oh noes, a bad pug experience, this totally started in LFR, because you know, THIS is where it started, I must have been hallucinating when In vanilla, there were tons of afks in pugs, or in BC with Fail groups, or in Wrath with fail groups.


LFR started this! THIS ABOMINATION CAUSED ALL THATS WRONG!

DIE LFR DIE

This.

I've been in dozens of bad guilds, bad pugs, and suffered through 'well, he's just a kid, you can't expect him to do good DPS' and 'that healer is MY WIFE, and I would ask you not to badmouth her!', and endless amounts of crap from every end of the spectrum, including AFK idiots, people who just refuse to listen, people who can't stop standing in crap and raid leaders who INSIST that the tried and true method of doing a boss is all wrong.

From VANILLA ONWARD.

So saying this idiocy is SOMEHOW related to LFR is very stupid of you. Yep, you're going to see a whole lot of failure in LFR, where a heroic guild who studies strats and works hard at what they do will ultimately see less of it (in theory). But it's not UNIQUE to LFR, nor did LFR start it.

But you go on believing that you're somehow extra special so that it pisses you off less that noobs are also getting to muck around in a game you think should be exclusive to people like you.

[Rapti]

I'm so tired of hearing these buzz words. Can't people complain about other players without using the word "bads" or "baddies"? Seriously, it makes you sound like a sissy.

How do you want em called instead then? Terribads? Shits? Scrubs? Noobs? Baddies? People who should disenchant themselves because they are so bad? Braindeads? Mentally challenged players? Morons? Idiots? Griefers (surely no one can be so bad)? I dunno... could go long... :P
Bads are Bad and thats bout it, they cant play or/and care if they suck or not.
Calling Bads Casuals would be not fair towards people who are casual but are good.

[tennesseej]

Remember LFR is heavily under tuned content delibratly to allow people to brute force it in Firelands normal Ilevel gear. if you want a challenge on your alt then why not run it through DS normal in a 10 man or 25 man group. Just do us all a favour and stop bitching about a system that was designed for people to go in and face roll regardless of there playing ability. It stinks of elitism and does not make you look big or cleaver.

/agreed

I seriously doubt the OP will though, I am pretty sure he uses these forum posts to try and validate his decision to play this video game a ridiculous amount of hours every week to flex his online elitism, instead of doing something productive with his life.

[Rixis]

If I could award you the internet for the most win post ever, I would.

Seriously, I wish that some people would just grow the fuck up. so what if your in heroics on your main and getting your kicks there, and other people are getting there enjoyment from LFR ? so what if there only pulling 10k dps. using auto attacks with badly enchanted and gemmed gear, whilst your doing double that in a lower Ilevel on your alt, two questions you need to ask yourself in this situation is

1 - is the boss going to die,
2 - are there others to help cover the low dps ?

if the answer to both of these is no, then start looking for another group, however if the answer to either of these is yes (and lets face it LFR is a steam roll with people who have a slight clue how to play) then your going to have no problems.

Remember LFR is heavily under tuned content delibratly to allow people to brute force it in Firelands normal Ilevel gear. if you want a challenge on your alt then why not run it through DS normal in a 10 man or 25 man group. Just do us all a favour and stop bitching about a system that was designed for people to go in and face roll regardless of there playing ability. It stinks of elitism and does not make you look big or cleaver.

this was my argument on christmas morning, about 9am, running LFR, we'd 1 shot first 3 bosses, on our way towards the last boss and some shaman starts whining about a warlocks bad dps and we should kick him, the warlock said he was new/low geared and trying, why kick him, the shaman is bitching about his dps, so i tell the shaman to shut his gob, we were doing fine as we were, no wipes, not many deaths to things, if we start encounter problems with damage output not being high enough, then we should consider how best to get the group to progress, until then, quit his whining

he went quiet and we 1 shot hagara (and i got a new dagger, yay)

tl:dr . unless the group is having problems with something (which only really happens with fail dps (as in TOO MUCH) on amalgamations on spine, and low dps on madness) then there's no reason to kick someone because they're not pulling the numbers you'd like them too, if they are truly afk, sure, but pulling 10k dps isn;t afk, it's just not very good

[GrieverXIII]

There are lots of hardcore raiders with 1/8 heroic progression
There are lots of casual raiders with 6/8 heroic progression

Long story short about the word 'casual'

I'm sorry but Blizzard labelling the LFR ''casual'' content pretty much associated it with bads themselves. Get over it.

[Deleted]

Just die on purpose before going afk on easy bosses. Works all the time for me.

[Rudy]

this was my argument on christmas morning, about 9am, running LFR, we'd 1 shot first 3 bosses, on our way towards the last boss and some shaman starts whining about a warlocks bad dps and we should kick him, the warlock said he was new/low geared and trying, why kick him, the shaman is bitching about his dps, so i tell the shaman to shut his gob, we were doing fine as we were, no wipes, not many deaths to things, if we start encounter problems with damage output not being high enough, then we should consider how best to get the group to progress, until then, quit his whining

he went quiet and we 1 shot hagara (and i got a new dagger, yay)

tl:dr . unless the group is having problems with something (which only really happens with fail dps (as in TOO MUCH) on amalgamations on spine, and low dps on madness) then there's no reason to kick someone because they're not pulling the numbers you'd like them too, if they are truly afk, sure, but pulling 10k dps isn;t afk, it's just not very good

10k dps isn t afk? an hunter can easly pull that number by simply autoattack and maybe some Arcaneshot here and there, every melee autoattacking and doing some skill evrey now and than easly go up over 10k....

[markos82]

If you fail in LFR then the entire group sucks. LFR was made so that an idiot can do it, I dont care if 40% in raid are idiots who click random buttons and run around doing nothing, I hate when they win the roll, and yes, /roll is broken in LFR....

[Yogg-Saron, God of Death]

I'm sorry but Blizzard labelling the LFR ''casual'' content pretty much associated it with bads themselves. Get over it.

Uh.. no. They didn't associate 'casual' with 'bad'. Moronic mid-core raiders that think their Morchok HC achievement should be something the 'peasants and commoners' should gawk at in heavy admiration are the ones that associate casual and bad.

You will -NEVER- see a true hardcore raider whining about fellow players getting a dumbed down and recolored version of the loot they will be able to attain. Because they don't raid for the loot. They raid for the experience and the downing of bosses. (Except the really hardcore that are sponsored and get money for world firsts)

I believe I've never seen any top 5 guild members (of which we may say, LFR-cheating or not. Are a few of the best WoW players in WoW.) whining about "teh casulolzzzzz" getting a degraded version of their own tier armor and weapons. Nor have I seen them openly mocking casuals OR bads to feed their own wretched, misshapen excuse for a self-esteem.

[Neeshka]

Casual and bad have a very strong correlation.

Either way the target demographic of LFR is casuals/bads.

If you find grouping with them obnoxious; don't do it; find a good guild and raid with them and possibly do hardmodes.

Most people that play wow play it a lot more casual than most of us think; they don't know and don't care to optimize dps or learn encounter mechanics. They won't/can't read dungeon journal. LFR is specifically for these people. A lot of them just panic and stand around in a multiplayer situation. They probably play fps games on tourist difficulty settings too.

Pugs are generally for bads. There are only a handful of servers with "good pugs" where things actually get done. LFR just extends upon this whilst eliminating all the associated drama.

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Uh.. no. They didn't associate 'casual' with 'bad'. Moronic mid-core raiders that think their Morchok HC achievement should be something the 'peasants and commoners' should gawk at in heavy admiration are the ones that associate casual and bad.

You will -NEVER- see a true hardcore raider whining about fellow players getting a dumbed down and recolored version of the loot they will be able to attain. Because they don't raid for the loot. They raid for the experience and the downing of bosses. (Except the really hardcore that are sponsored and get money for world firsts)

I believe I've never seen any top 5 guild members (of which we may say, LFR-cheating or not. Are a few of the best WoW players in WoW.) whining about "teh casulolzzzzz" getting a degraded version of their own tier armor and weapons. Nor have I seen them openly mocking casuals OR bads to feed their own wretched, misshapen excuse for a self-esteem.

Yep; agreed with most of this. Except that most people generally agree that casual and bad are strongly correlated.

It's also quite obvious that LFR is meant for bads given how the boss hp and how heavily nerfed the encounter mechanics are.

[Hitmachine]

Hi there i own a successfull business with 48 employees & earn good money, im engaged to a beautiful girl & am happy.
Our guild is 4 bosses down in HC , i like to pug LFR often with my friends that arent good enough to make it into our core
raiding team.. which catagory do i fit in? am i a bad casual? a hardcore baddie? casualcore?