The description given certainly shows he was being attacked and restrained how do you know the outcome had he not fought back?
But he wasn't just hit in the head, that was the first blow.he got hit in the head. you know what thats called? a school yard fight. the only danger was his pride. he killed another person.
It's like poking a small animal and then getting pissed when it attacks you.
Dogs do this all the time. They are abused, poked and yelled at and when they feel cornered and threaten will attack. No one EVER goes well the dog should have just ran away(which the kid did try to do) no one EVER blames the dog
"You don't butt in line! You don't sell drugs! You don't molest little children! You don't profit off the misery of others! The rules were set a long time ago! They don't change!" -Super
So let's say you were confronted by a guy and 10 of his friends. No one around to supervise the fight and make sure you didn't get completely trampled. Let's say you actually gained the upper hand on the other guy. Do you honestly think for a minute that the dude's 10 friends would just sit there and watch? Especially knowing that they want the fight to happen more than you or the other guy?stop with the horseshit
the friends NEVER did anything physical to him, they talked shit a few times and got off the bus with 10 others to WATCH THE FIGHT. witnesses said that it was a 1v1 fight the whole time and never looked like anyone else even wanted to be involved, even said both fighters were SCARED and DIDN'T WANT TO FIGHT but they were pressured into it.
it's illegal to take any type of knife to school.
12 times. enough said, 12 decisions to put a knife into the body of someone who called you names a few times, hit you with a spit wad and hit you during a fight
when you stab someone, your intent really means nothing, the situation that started it and the result matter. he killed the guy who hit him once, called him a mean name a few times and was friends with someone who hit him with a spitwad
he was never vastly outnumbered, they clearly state it was 1v1 and his friends NEVER factored into anything
There's no reason for you to assume they are going to let you kick the guys ass. There's no reason to assume that they are going to jump in but only kick your ass slightly, while keeping your overall health and well being alive. Unfortunately, stuff like this happens every day, and more often than not, the victim is usually brutalized (sometimes to death) by the entire group of people, no matter how well he did against the one guy.
When it comes down to it, the situation could have easily ended up with him dead or in the hospital at the hands of the 11 other people.
This isn't the movies or video games where if you stab someone once they keel over dead. Depending on the size of the weapon used, the location of the stab wound, and the number of stab wounds inflicted, people can survive a stab wound rather easily.Stabbing someone at all is trying to kill them, when you stick a knife in someone else, what do you think is going to happen?
Kids these days jump straight to either killing themselves or killing someone else, they need some thicker skin.
Assuming that someone intends to kill someone else when they stab them is pretty silly. Especially when it's with a 2-3 inch pocket knife. If the kid had pulled out a 12 inch kitchen knife then stabbed the bully in the head, then yeah, I'd agree that he was trying to kill him.
The other part of it is that 'thick skin' doesn't help you when the people calling you names decide to step it up a notch and provoke an obviously unfair fight.
If the one boy had met the other boy alone some place and challenged him to a fist fight, that would be one thing. But anyone who's somewhat intelligent would agree that bringing 10 of your friends to a fight is never going to end in a 1v1.
Originally Posted by Jevlin
Coincidentally, I just finished reading "The Hunger Games". We're now one step closer to that future.
No matter what you think of the situation, the law there says it was okay. Don't like it? Go off all you want against the law.
I'm somewhere in the middle on this though. I think he was fully justified in defending himself, but past that I have a hard time justifying the actual killing. That said, he was a small 14 year old kid who had been tormented daily for an extended period. I think it's pretty clear that he fully snapped. No person reacts well when trapped in a situation that will cause you bodily harm. That's pretty much exactly the situation that law protects.
No, this is about the circumstances surronding the death of a 16 year old boy. It's not murder and you would know this if you paid attention in the dozens of times that the word murder has been explained to you. But of course facts are inconvenient for hyperboles and strawmans.This is about the murder of a 16 year old boy
His entire life will be punishment now, he will have to leave his school, his family will have to leave there jobs and move elsewhere, he will always have it on his conscience, any backgrounds checks will show what he has done....his life is pretty much over already, this kid will commit suicide, count on that.
If you look at the florida statutes and constitution you would see there's a clear definition of assault and battery. There's no exemption for kids under 18. There's not exemption when it happens on school property.
I'd like to know where you found those exemptions or if you're just making things up.
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