and then you get into, what is xxx or xxy ?
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the most beautiful post I have ever read.. thank you Dr-1337 http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...1#post22624432
Plus the mental state of being male or female isn't black and white. There's a lot of grey areas (transvestitism, transgenderism, even homo- and bi-sexuality at a stretch), and people would rather be a gender that they feel rather than be a gender that they feel they aren't.
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I wish life was so black and white... male and female... but it isn't not for a lot of us.
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It's Europe, so don't expect any condemnation or reports from other European nations. This will just continue unnoticed, unfortunately.
Dunno why it matters really... they are sterilising the old gender... that they will never use again right? So that they can be a woman? or a man?
Don't see why this is that much of an issue unless they are just being like casual wow players "I want the choice! to be a female or a male when I want".
They are not forcing sterilisation, just saying "hey if u want to be a woman... you can no longer be a man". I wouldn't say its necessary but I can't see why people make such a fuss about it... unless they actually don't want to be women and just want to keep choosing between genders lol.
It's more to do with the timing.Dunno why it matters really... they are sterilising the old gender... that they will never use again right? So that they can be a woman? or a man?
There's basically a two-year window where your life will be living hell, and you'll actually have to fear for your life in some occasions. Getting the papers would help solve a lot of the problems in that time period, but yet, a transitioning person would not get those until the transition is complete in the sense that the government deems it so.
Add to that the fact that, for FtM transitionists, it's better to not have the full bottom surgery done (though I'll agree that getting the ovaries and womb removed should be a good option), and you've got yourself a lot of trouble.
Likewise, many MtF transitionist would rather not be have bottom surgery done. For health reasons, or simply for the fact they'd rather have a more functional sex-life. SRS can cause the vagina to be pretty much insensitive in the parts where it should be fully sensitive... And this can be a huge problem for people in a steady relationship. Better to have working parts that might look a bit out of place than have something that doesn't do what it's supposed to do.
Trans people have sex too, you know.
Not... Necessarily.Yes but being being the supplier of sperm by definition makes them the male parent... and vice versa
I know someone who's got three mothers. One of them is the stepmother, the other two are biological mothers.
A parent is not decided by their role in conception; it is decided by their role as caretaker. Ultimately, 'mother' and 'father' are, in my opinion, silly concepts that really only reflect on who gets to carry the developing foetus, and, as we have gone beyond that point with adoptions and the medical ability for men to carry a developing foetus (if they so choose, and have the money for it), as well as for women to donate their genetic material to an outside receptor (turning egg-cells into just another kind of sperm, really), this distinction no longer holds up.
That having said, you're still set on the topic title rather than the topic itself. It's not strictly speaking of sterilization; it's speaking about the final surgery, which happens to have sterilization as a side effect.
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I think part of the problem is the law is phrased very poorly. As has been discussed, HRT will make eventually make the individual sterile, and is much a cheaper and somewhat safer route than SRS. If the law's wording was changed to reflect hormone induced sterilization, I think people would feel much calmer.
It definitely does appear that language was sadly meant to be degrading. I don't really know much about Swedish politics, but I thought some folks said a rather conservative Christian party was the one that insisted the wording stay this way?
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Second bolded part- Unless you're getting your GRS from a back alley doc, you should be fully functional (MtF btw), and orgasmic. VERY few people have any issues at all, as far as i have read. Lots of post op Trans women have a functional, and enjoyable sex life.