The Perfect 10-Man Raid Setup

**LaplaceNoMa** · 2012-01-17, 09:55 AM

Why are people listling prot warriors?
It's like the worst tank class in t13 on many heroic encounters (and also madness normal where he can be one-shot on 3rd platform with shield-wall if he doesn't have 2 stamina trinkets). Currently best tanks are DK > Feral=ProtPallie (depending on whether you have a disc/holy healer or not. If you have one, druid is better, if you don't - prot pal is better)

**Dotbotdotcom** · 2012-01-17, 10:11 AM

Tanks: DK main tank and warrior to jump on the 2 tanks fights (Arms warriors are OP as fuck and the fights which require a second tank are generally easy from a tank PoV so it doesn't matter that warriors are shit)

Healers: Disc Priest, Rdruid (balance OS on 2 healer fights), Hpala

DPS:
Warlock
Warrior (the off tank)
Elemental shaman
Shadow Priest
Arcane mage
Fire Mage

Best raid comp EU.

**LaplaceNoMa** · 2012-01-17, 11:53 AM

Originally Posted by Dotbotdotcom

Tanks: DK main tank and warrior to jump on the 2 tanks fights (Arms warriors are OP as fuck and the fights which require a second tank are generally easy from a tank PoV so it doesn't matter that warriors are shit)

Healers: Disc Priest, Rdruid (balance OS on 2 healer fights), Hpala

DPS:
Warlock
Warrior (the off tank)
Elemental shaman
Shadow Priest
Arcane mage
Fire Mage

Best raid comp EU.

Except it will take ages to gear them all up and 10mans are still finishing their 3rd legendary by now

Lots of free shards from useless loot though, woohoo!

**Arothand** · 2012-01-17, 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by LaplaceNoMa

Why are people listling prot warriors?
It's like the worst tank class in t13 on many heroic encounters (and also madness normal where he can be one-shot on 3rd platform with shield-wall if he doesn't have 2 stamina trinkets). Currently best tanks are DK > Feral=ProtPallie (depending on whether you have a disc/holy healer or not. If you have one, druid is better, if you don't - prot pal is better)

Sadly I agree with this and I am a Prot Warr

I would say something like:

Tanks: DK, Druid
Heals: Pally, Shaman, Priest (for teh absorbs)
DPS: Rogue, Frost DK, Mage, Spriest, Hunter or Lock

**Proberly** · 2012-01-17, 12:32 PM

2 tanks
2-3 healers
rest mage, inc hc spine

**Erto** · 2012-01-17, 12:38 PM

Originally Posted by kolopotho

interesting how much thought you put into this... like EXACTLY one of each class...

id take 10 people that knew how to play their class and follow instructions correctly

Yeah agreed, this is hardly a perfect setup and you haven't even included speccs, so we don't know what buffs/raid cooldowns you'll have. Not to mention that very few fights use 2 tanks and 3 healers, which you haven't said who speccs what when they're not needed to Heal/Tank.

Also, you can't really say a 'perfect setup' because different fights prefer different classes.

**Archidamos** · 2012-01-17, 12:43 PM

Perfect setup?
There isn't such a thing, especialy for 10s!

Extensive need of class stacking makes it imposible to define a perfect setup even for 25s.

**Demetrion** · 2012-01-17, 12:50 PM

Tanks:
Paladin
Warrior (with arms/fury OS)

Healers:
Shaman
Paladin

DPS:
Mage
Warlock
Shadow Priest (with disc/holy OS)
Balance Druid (with resto OS)
Rogue
Hunter

There is this sentence I heard long ago saying: "You're a wizard Harry!"

Setup like this has tool for every occasion.

**Batix** · 2012-01-17, 12:56 PM

Where are the moonkin in these set-ups? It's not perfect without one. ;D lol.

**Donkeywing** · 2012-01-17, 12:56 PM

Tanks
Paladin
Feral

Healers
Paladin
Priest/Shaman

DPS
Fire mage
Fire mage
Fire mage
Fire mage/Spriest
Arcane mage
Demo Warlock

**Shiveron** · 2012-01-17, 01:04 PM

We are using:

DK/Bear Tanks

Hpally,D/H Priest, Resto Sham

Frost DK, Arms war
Fire Mage, MM Hunter

10th was a Boomkin, but he's stepping away from raiding right now and is only onboard until we pick up a Lock or Rogue to replace him with. Probably a Lock.

**LaplaceNoMa** · 2012-01-17, 01:08 PM

So many clueless people who have no idea about 10mans and suggest 2-healer setups or setups with more than 3 cloth users.

It's not your 'gear-them-all-up-and-no-disenchanters-required-in-the-raid' 25-man, guys.

Not even talking about having more than 4 of the same token group.

**Akiie** · 2012-01-17, 01:13 PM

The perfect 10 man set up has more than 10 people. Our setup is not perfect, but it's pretty close to being so.

Blood DK
Feral Tank
Prot Warrior

Resto Druid
Resto Shammy
Holy Pally

Boomkin
Spriest
Fire mage
Hunter
Combat Rogue
Arms Warrior
Retribution paladin.

**Donkeywing** · 2012-01-17, 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by LaplaceNoMa

So many clueless people who have no idea about 10mans and suggest 2-healer setups or setups with more than 3 cloth users.

It's not your 'gear-them-all-up-and-no-disenchanters-required-in-the-raid' 25-man, guys.

Not even talking about having more than 4 of the same token group.

I don't think this thread is about loot distribution.

**Demetrion** · 2012-01-17, 01:38 PM

Originally Posted by LaplaceNoMa

So many clueless people who have no idea about 10mans and suggest 2-healer setups or setups with more than 3 cloth users.

It's not your 'gear-them-all-up-and-no-disenchanters-required-in-the-raid' 25-man, guys.

Not even talking about having more than 4 of the same token group.

2 healer strategy works excellent for whole normal 10 man DS.

And if you value progress you will always go with the setup which favors you not the one where you will have all classes for all loot.

**UltraUgly** · 2012-01-17, 01:47 PM

If you are lucky to have 1 of each class and that is working smooth then blizzard has achived something really good. Actually feeling happy for those type of raids. Make use of each class is what wow is a bit about.

**LaplaceNoMa** · 2012-01-17, 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by Donkeywing

I don't think this thread is about loot distribution.

This thread is about the perfect 10-man raid setup. The quality of raid setup is composed of three things:

1. Ability to distribute loot evenly without having to disenchant things every now and then
2. Ability to have good HPS, DPS and enough survival cooldowns
3. Ability to have most of the buffs covered

Originally Posted by Demetrion

2 healer strategy works excellent for whole normal 10 man DS.

And if you value progress you will always go with the setup which favors you not the one where you will have all classes for all loot.

People who care about normals won't care about their setup. It's like coming to a thread named 'Fire or Arcane?' and telling 'LOL PLAY WHAT YOU LIKE IT'S JUST A GAME xDDD'.

**SHLAM** · 2012-01-17, 07:02 PM

Tanks
Druid
Death Knight

Healers
Paladin
Shaman
Priest

DPS
Mage
Rogue
Hunter
Warlock
Priest

**Tutorial** · 2012-01-17, 07:04 PM

Originally Posted by llandrywyn

Technically, assuming players are all equally highly skilled, the best configuration is:

Tanks: Paladin, Warrior
Healers: Druid, Shaman, Holy Priest
DPS: Demonology Warlock, Arcane Mage, Subtlety Rogue, Marksmanship Hunter, Frost DK.

That gives every possible buff and debuff, while keeping to a balanced DPS mix a wide variety of healer and tank CDs.

Wonder how you leave out the best healer this patch has brought us. Holy paladins would be stronger really.

**Nuke1096** · 2012-01-17, 08:44 PM

The ideal healer setup is Holy Paladin, Resto Druid, and Disc/Holy Dual Specced Priest. That gives you 4 out of the 5 healing specs in the game in a 10m group. Plus the synergy of a Druid and Disc Priest healing the raid is awesome.

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