View Poll Results: So is it right?

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  • Yes, it should go to top performers who don't have the item

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  • No, your dumb and should not need of you have it.

    608 60.08%
  • Maybe, not sure.

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  1. #541
    Quote Originally Posted by bajskorv View Post
    Yes. Yes, I have.
    A ninja is somebody who lays out loot rules as master looter, and then breaks those rules.

    Somebody who rolls need on an item they have every right to roll need on is not a ninja, and in fact ninjaing is categorically impossible under need before greed (and all the other enforced looting systems) because the game will not allow you to roll on something you aren't allowed to roll on... surprisingly.

  2. #542
    keeps new people from getting needed gear, not fair

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    Thanks for the link for proving my point to the guy

  4. #544
    Quote Originally Posted by Addmeister View Post
    First Off. what possible personal use could someone have for a piece that they already have.
    I wasn't clear enough. My point was that the person who has the item, may just as easily have been somebody else put into the raid by the queuing system who does need the item for personal use.

    etiquette that some people out there follow and some don't
    Etiquette includes putting in a reasonable effort to further the progress of your group. I will happily break an imagined 'loot rule', at no gain to myself, in order to potentially reward those who are not being useless douchebags.

  5. #545
    I also agree that it is not fair at all, however, it is not a breach of the rules to need on something that you can need on, regardless of whether or not u already have that particular piece of gear

  6. #546
    I never wanna queue with you, never. Such a dick move, on the other side: i see what you're doing. Giving the people who have the right to have it sounds legit, but still a dickmove imo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Larwood View Post
    There are not more people rolling, the person who already has the item could just as easily also need the item and also be needing it for personal use. It is your greed that makes you look at him and say "he already has the item, therefore his right to roll is forfeit and my chances should be increased.
    wait wait... so you are saying that even though he already have the item , he could stil "need" it for "personal use", what the hell does that even mean? He wants it in his backpack to stare at it? Are you really this naive... Its about moral, if you already have the item, its more fair and decent of you to not press "need" to let people who dont have it ( the position you were in a few weeks ago) get a fair chance to win the item, cause lets face it, you dont really need it since you wont wear it. Im getting really tierd of you trying to justify your greedy "logic". If three people who dont have an item and really NEEDS it, and then they roll and then 5 other greedy bastards who already have the item "needs" it to, cause you know... they are GREEDY. the three people who really could use it have a less chance of getting it cause some people dont know the difference between right and wrong.

  8. #548
    I think that perhaps u missed the point of my etiquette statement. It had nothing to do with a players particular performance. I just believe that there is an etiquette in how loot is rolled on with respect to others that could possibly need the gear when one knows that they definitely do not need it.


    Not sure that made a whole lot of sense but it did to me
    Last edited by Addmeister; 2012-01-17 at 09:31 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Addmeister View Post
    I think that perhaps u missed the point of my etiquette statement. It had nothing to do with a players particular performance. I just believe that there is an etiquette in how loot is rolled on with respect to others that could possibly need the gear when one knows that they definitely do not need it.


    Not sure that made a whole lot of sense but it did to me
    Made perfect sense !<3

  10. #550
    Quote Originally Posted by Evisiling View Post
    Yeah you are just being stupid doing that sort of thing, your the type of person i'd keep away from in LFG, LFR
    and then after running multiple lfr on your alts, on every one of them you pull your weight and each time item drops, you see a guy who deals 10k dps win the item. Then you look at overall dmg done in whole run and guy doesnt make even 2% of total raid damage. No offense, but thats leeching and those are the people who should be kept away from any multiplayer game.

    wrong because you are depriving people with low dps due to gears to people who already are fine or outgeared the content
    any of my 5 alts, able to enter lfr with ilvl of 372 is cappable of dealing at elast 20k dps while people in ilvl 385 deal 12k...
    If you are able to enter lfr as dps, you sohuld be doing minimum 18k dps, end of story, if you dont, its l2p issue not gear issue.

  11. #551
    Yeah, give the better gear to the already better geared

    /facepalm

  12. #552
    I do that sometimes. If there is one player who clearly deserves an item I'll roll for them, otherwise I'll just pass.

    It actually just happened to me. I was running LFR on my alt, a feral druid, and on the last boss two polearms dropped. The first polearms rolls finished and it went to a hunter. The second polearm finished and it went to another hunter. I was just about to leave the group disapointed when one of the hunters traded a polearm to me. It was a really nice surprise. I had stayed through all four bosses, wiped a few times and pulled 2nd on dps on every boss (lost to a paladin main with tons of regular DS gear, including the normal deathwing sword).

    It's nice to be rewarded for good performance.

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    No.
    If people want a loot council they will do a regular raid with guildies. If they want to kill some time and maybe get a piece of gear through RNG they go LFR. You aren't part of their WoW experience so you shouldn't have any say in what gear they should or shouldn't get.

  14. #554
    Quote Originally Posted by megrim View Post
    I mostly agree with this, however, the tern NEED implies that you intend to use the item. Rolling NEED when you don't is morally wrong, and I don't believe gear should go to the TOP performer, but anyone who is pulling their weight and who has taken the time to understand their class and the fights.

    As you said though this is a fault of the system in place and legally you are right, it is still kind of a dick move though, if killing was legal should people just run around killing people all day? Harsh exaggeration but just making a point.
    What?? Need implies that you need the item for whatever purpose you want. There are NO rules that says that you must use the item if you need roll. Its not like they automatically equip the item to your character and force you to use it for the next week when you win.

    People can need roll on items for many different purposes. What if they want the item to gem / enchant different gems / enchants for different fights and a different spec? It sure saves alot of money when you want Mastery over Haste for 2 fights that one favors a certain spec over another. What if they want the item to put in their void storage so they know they will have that "look" forever in case they want to transmog it? And lets say they are strapped for gold, as so many people complain about (with the not gemming / enchanting gear threads going around), so they need on it to disenchant for gold so they can get the money to gem their other item.

    You are not one to tell a person how they should NEED on an item. Just because they already have ONE of that item does not mean that they wont find a use for another. Its simple greed from the ones crying foul play. Atleast this guy is noble and giving it to the one he feels is most deserving.
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  15. #555
    Quote Originally Posted by Belial91 View Post
    Yeah, give the better gear to the already better geared

    /facepalm
    Yes you need good gear in order to do good Dps/heals seeing how you need a ilvl of 372 to que anyhow.

    /facepalm

    In most cases I do more dmg then people who outgear me.

    Shit I've even beat players with a legendary.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Larwood View Post
    Etiquette includes putting in a reasonable effort to further the progress of your group. I will happily break an imagined 'loot rule', at no gain to myself, in order to potentially reward those who are not being useless douchebags.
    this right here i need on every thing to give to those who deserve it. some of you people saying its a dick move.....but isnt the real dick move showing up in greens on spine and killing the tent5icles then winning EVERY peice cause blizz hands it to the bads and undergeared? and i mean BADS not casuals because casuals are still more intelligent that half of these mouthbreathers....then agian i could teach my cat to do better then some of these people
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  17. #557
    Quote Originally Posted by gutnbrg View Post
    you're pretty much trying to play the role of God in LFR, do you think you are God? If so then yes its ok to do, otherwise let the system do whats its programmed to do and keep your self righteous attitude out of it...
    The system is programmed to do EXACTLY what it is meant to do. It allows you to roll NEED on any peice of gear that you can equip after you kill the boss associated with the item. If you helped participate in killing the boss, the system works as intended: It allows you to roll NEED. Who are you to judge how the item is used? Are you God?
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  18. #558
    Quote Originally Posted by melak View Post
    wait wait... so you are saying that even though he already have the item , he could stil "need" it for "personal use", what the hell does that even mean? He wants it in his backpack to stare at it? Are you really this naive... Its about moral, if you already have the item, its more fair and decent of you to not press "need" to let people who dont have it ( the position you were in a few weeks ago) get a fair chance to win the item, cause lets face it, you dont really need it since you wont wear it. Im getting really tierd of you trying to justify your greedy "logic". If three people who dont have an item and really NEEDS it, and then they roll and then 5 other greedy bastards who already have the item "needs" it to, cause you know... they are GREEDY. the three people who really could use it have a less chance of getting it cause some people dont know the difference between right and wrong.
    Time to be as clear as possible I think, by cunning use of the example!

    Imagine 2 alternate realities. They are identical in every single way except 1 day a chance happening changes the 2 realities. You queue for LFR...

    In reality A you are grouped with 23 people and John. John is ret pally with DS Heroic gear in every slot. On the first boss a dps ring drops, and John rolls need along with you and 3 other people.
    In reality B you are grouped with the same 23 people and Ben. Ben is also a ret pally, but his gear is mix of LFR gear and heroic gear, and he does his job. The same loot drops, and Ben needs the ring for personal use, so he clicks need.

    Now at this point, think carefully about the difference between John and Ben? They are both there, helping to kill bosses, putting time and effort into the raid. They have both done their bit for the group. The only difference between them is not particularly important - John is more than likely doing more dps than Ben.

    Let us also consider you, our valiant protagonist. What is different for you? In both cases you have a 20% chance of winning the official roll. Good luck valiant protagonist!
    Damn. You rolled 162 and lost, what a pity. John and Ben win in both realities with a roll of 183. At this point in reality B, the loot is gone. In reality A however, there is still potential. It turns out that John rolled need because the warrior, one of the other 3 rollers, was afk for the whole fight! The cheek of it. The warrior rolled 179, so it's a good thing John rolled. John then looks at the rolls and says "oh look, valiant protagonist was the next roll after the warrior, I'll give it to him." John has at this stage managed to do the apparently impossible, and distribute loot better than a random number generator.

    But you called John greedy so he gave the ring to the DK.

    Better luck next time valiant protagonist!

  19. #559
    Quote Originally Posted by Scummer View Post
    No.
    If people want a loot council they will do a regular raid with guildies. If they want to kill some time and maybe get a piece of gear through RNG they go LFR. You aren't part of their WoW experience so you shouldn't have any say in what gear they should or shouldn't get.
    Actually, for the hour you are in the LFR together, you are part of the other person's WoW experience. Personally, I'd like to see those who enhance my experience rewarded, even if I only play with them for an hour. That goes beyond performance, someone who jokes around and is polite and friendly is likely to get loot if I do pass it. I wouldn't pass a piece of gear to the asshat yelling at everyone and calling them noobs, just like I won't pass gear to the jerk who thinks it's ok to put on auto attack and surf porn. If I roll need and pass an item, it's because I don't think certain members of the group deserve that item. As I said, everyone has a right to do this and everyone's criteria are different. It's part of the RNG.

  20. #560
    Quote Originally Posted by Jaylock View Post
    The system is programmed to do EXACTLY what it is meant to do. It allows you to roll NEED on any peice of gear that you can equip after you kill the boss associated with the item. If you helped participate in killing the boss, the system works as intended: It allows you to roll NEED. Who are you to judge how the item is used? Are you God?

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