Are Arms warriors overpowered?

[Hellkung]

Considering the rise of this spec right now in DS and their amazing consistently high DPS, would you reckon it is because of:

- the player
- the spec
- the gear
- the sword (gurthalak)
- the raid

Would you consider Arms warriors to be overpowered?

From your POV (healer, tank, dps)

[Rampant Rabbit]

No. Warriors are the class that scales the most with gear. There is your answer.

[RavenGage]

Nope, I have yet to see any encounter in DS where any class was sat out to make room for more warriors. On pretty much every fight there are other classes and specs that are more desirable like combat rogues, mages, double DoTing classes and so forth. Warriors have always scaled well with gear in the last tier of each xpac, they are high DPS but not high enough or unique enough to be game breaking in any way.

[Jadè]

If you want OP, go talk about Blood DKs and compare them to the other tanks.

In any case Warriors are only good if the player is good (this includes him/her doing the work). You will not instantly be "OP" just because you roll a Warrior.

[Galad]

Can't think of a fight where you want to sit out other raiders to bring more warriors. That basically answers it as far as I'm concerned.
I always found it easier to find web resources, like good guides, to help me know what the hell im doing on my warrior than on some of my alts though. Might have something to do with it.

I also find that people who play warriors tend to stick with their characters rather than rerolling every x-pack a bit more than some other classes, but that might just be the guilds and players that i've interacted with.

[fangless]

If you want OP, go talk about Blood DKs and compare them to the other tanks.

I giggle'd.

Tank class with the least amount of passive mechanics and most room for error is doing ok finally? Huzah I say.

[GroshanBlackhand]

Warrior do take a lot of pride in there class. And if you go on the forums for warriors and such. It is a pretty big community of players that work together to be the best they can be. I know looking for my alts for other classes to get the little extra things to do here or there to add dps it is a lot harder to find.

Most of the solid warriors that know there class and how to play are extremely friendly and enjoy helping out other fellow warriors. While if you go on another forum class they are more likely to call you a noob and gtfo.

[Raxtus]

Arms is not the best spec out there. Yes, we do scale well with gear, but it is just that most meh warriors are still fury, and that the "better" warriors are currently arms hence you have better people to compare. Also, many warriors are still under the impression that arms is solely for PvP.

[Fiana]

Considering the rise of this spec right now in DS and their amazing consistently high DPS, would you reckon it is because of:

- the player
- the spec
- the gear
- the sword (gurthalak)
- the raid

Would you consider Arms warriors to be overpowered?

From your POV (healer, tank, dps)

More than overpowered. Not as overpowered as fire mages ofc, but definitely the most overpowered melee class. They overdps rogues in average. Even considering that a lot of rogues already have legendaries.

Warriors scaling with gear is broken. It scales too good.
They were nerfed by ~5% in the beginning of 4.3 to put them on pair with other melee, but in 400+ gear they became #1 again.

And its obvious that its not player because warrior rotation is far from complicated, and it would be stupid to assume that there are no good players playing other classes. Its just gear, spec and scaling with gear to be precise.

They need to be nerfed at least by 10-15% to be on pair with ferals and enh shamans.
Fire Mages shoud be nerfed by 25-30%, at least fire aoe.

[kosechi]

arms warriors are the strongest of the plate melee at the moment. maybe even the strongest melee.
high single target dps due to nearly unlimited rage, good burst, strong aoe, and the best gear scaling? all in one class? yes please

ret paladins are in the middle and only really get brought to raids because they are still one of the best burst classes. they are also really pissed off about the sword nerf because it handicaps them in terms of gear scaling, particularly in light of how well arms and unholy scale with gear.

dks are behind on single target but bring a lot of utility to raids that warriors/rets don't. they also scale with gear quite well.

[RavenGage]

They need to be nerfed at least by 10-15% to be on pair with ferals and enh shamans.
Fire Mages shoud be nerfed by 25-30%, at least fire aoe.

If I recall correctly the top DPS in the word 1st madness of deathwing was an enh shaman. Rogue are superior to warriors on Spine(sub), Gunship(combat) and Zon'ozz(combat). DKs, Rets and Druids bring more utility and comparable damage (lower but still high enough to make all enrage timers).

Your cry for 15% nerf is way overreaction. Show me a single fight where people were sat out for warriors. I can show you fights where people are sat out for rogues, mages, double DoT classes and so forth. In 10m I can also show you fights where people are sat out for hunters, ret pallies, enh shamans and so forth due to specific buffs they bring. We must not be playing the same game.

[Avlli]

OVERPOWER LOL ?
U definetly aren't playing any arenas. Warriors are underpower there ...

[Thehavalina]

OVERPOWER LOL ?
U definetly aren't playing any arenas. Warriors are underpower there ...

This thread has nothing to do with PvP.

[Diggasson]

Warrior do take a lot of pride in there class. And if you go on the forums for warriors and such. It is a pretty big community of players that work together to be the best they can be. I know looking for my alts for other classes to get the little extra things to do here or there to add dps it is a lot harder to find.

Most of the solid warriors that know there class and how to play are extremely friendly and enjoy helping out other fellow warriors. While if you go on another forum class they are more likely to call you a noob and gtfo.

Haha its amazing how well you described me :P. Warriors for life!

[Jasyn]

I giggle'd.

Tank class with the least amount of passive mechanics and most room for error is doing ok finally? Huzah I say.

I miss the beginning of Wrath, when I could tank Sapphiron in Naxx and barely take more damage than anyone else from the AOE. Weaving the cooldowns so you'd only have ~8 seconds of vulnerability every few minutes.

[Fiana]

If I recall correctly the top DPS in the word 1st madness of deathwing was an enh shaman.

Guess how many enh shamans killed spine of deathwing? I'll tell you. 3.
And for 16 enh shamans that killed madness there are 66 warriors.

Rogue are superior to warriors on Spine(sub), Gunship(combat) and Zon'ozz(combat).

I did not say that rogues should not be nerfed. They should. But even with all nerfs rogues should do more dps that warriors on ALL bosses due to legendary.

DKs, Rets and Druids bring more utility and comparable damage (lower but still high enough to make all enrage timers).

Warriors have raid saving ability. Thats enough to take them to raid. And what kind of utility you are talking about that DKs and Rets bring to raid?

The main goal of balancing is to take EVERY class to raid.
And when warrior is doing 20-30% more damage on some bosses than enh, there is no reason to take enh.
You can take one retri for 3% damage buff, but when you will have a choice - to take 2nd retri or 2nd warrior you will take one with better dps.

Also everything is on farm now. You can go and kill bosses in any setup. And we want fair dps competition. Competing with warriors is not fair competition.

Thats why arms warriors should be nerfed by 10%, rogues by 8%, enh and ferals should be buffed by 5%, fury should be buffed by ~10%.
ALL classes should do equal dps. No exceptions.

[momirmaster]

If I recall correctly the top DPS in the word 1st madness of deathwing was an enh shaman. Rogue are superior to warriors on Spine(sub), Gunship(combat) and Zon'ozz(combat). DKs, Rets and Druids bring more utility and comparable damage (lower but still high enough to make all enrage timers).

Your cry for 15% nerf is way overreaction. Show me a single fight where people were sat out for warriors. I can show you fights where people are sat out for rogues, mages, double DoT classes and so forth. In 10m I can also show you fights where people are sat out for hunters, ret pallies, enh shamans and so forth due to specific buffs they bring. We must not be playing the same game.

madness's proc buff scales with enhance mastery so enhance gets like 200% damage from the proc only reason. Enhance is still garbage everywhere else. arms damage could be tuned down a bit. My old guilds first heroic ultraxion kill which wa s like US 10th so people wernt decked full heroic gear. There arms warriors were #1 and #2 at 48k and 46k dps. But outside ultraxion I think there fine compared to mages and rogues who are also doing amazing dps right now.

[kaloth]

Considering the rise of this spec right now in DS and their amazing consistently high DPS, would you reckon it is because of:

- the player
- the spec
- the gear
- the sword (gurthalak)
- the raid

Would you consider Arms warriors to be overpowered?

From your POV (healer, tank, dps)

We (meaning my guild) recruited a new warrior and he has done the BEST on dps since he has been on the guild as arms.The sword Gurthalak is about i want to say 10-15% of his total damage.

[grug]

Take away the rage generated due to raid damage and warriors damage drops off relatively significantly. Dragon soul raid design plays well to warriors advantages.

[whoranzone]

madness's proc buff scales with enhance mastery so enhance gets like 200% damage from the proc only reason. Enhance is still garbage everywhere else. arms damage could be tuned down a bit. My old guilds first heroic ultraxion kill which wa s like US 10th so people wernt decked full heroic gear. There arms warriors were #1 and #2 at 48k and 46k dps. But outside ultraxion I think there fine compared to mages and rogues who are also doing amazing dps right now.

I know that this is probably quite far away from being a implicitness to know this nowadays but warrior rage gen is through the roof on ultraxion up to a level that can only be matched by burning adrenaline which is probably also because why you perceive them as fine on other encounters since there are a lot of ae spells flying around as well but definitely not as steady and frequent as on ultraxion.