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Am I the only person who thinks it's fundamentally wrong to criminalize having a view point? I just don't get it.
Sure, denying it is dumb. But criminalizing it..? Really?
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2012-01-25, 10:11 PM #21Dreadlord
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2012-01-25, 10:13 PM #22DeletedWe dont have exactly the same freedom of speech as yours, as we cant deny shoa (and 95% of the population is perfectly fine with it). I dont know if there are other "memorial laws" as we call them, but they are generally speaking viewed as a bad thing. We think that history is the domain of historians, and that it should not be the work of the Assemblée Nationale to decide what is true or not.
Originally Posted by Reeve
For example, if you remember Dominique de Villepin (he was at the security council when USA decided to invade Irak
) he is in the same political wing than Sarkozy, and is totally against this kind of laws.
Our "great" president has been doing some strange things lately, launching proposals all around even if it is counter productive (from the point of view of all sides except his). It is largely suspected to be a law that will aquire votes for the upcoming elections (22 of april) from the armenian community. And he will need them.
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2012-01-25, 10:16 PM #23Banned
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Not really propaganda. The genocide is murky area. Lots of Historical facts are missing and are tall tales. For every atrocities, hundreds never happened. that kinda thing Originally Posted by kuku2
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2012-01-25, 10:16 PM #24Pit Lord
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Freedom of speech is not absolute, consider yelling fire in a theater. It is reasonable however to debate what level of restrictions we allow on freedom of speech. Personally, I consider something like this equivalent with hate speech and therefore it is controversial enough to allow debate. Originally Posted by BurningStick
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2012-01-25, 10:16 PM #25The Unstoppable Force
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It is pretty weird yes. The discussion has been about freedom of speech vs defending insulting millions of people about what is obviously a fact ie. the holocaust. Originally Posted by NewOrleansTrolley
Once the holocaust was added as forbidden one cant really justify not adding other genocides to the list.
Hence the genocide of armeinians got added as well.But soon after Mr Xi secured a third term, Apple released a new version of the feature in China, limiting its scope. Now Chinese users of iPhones and other Apple devices are restricted to a 10-minute window when receiving files from people who are not listed as a contact. After 10 minutes, users can only receive files from contacts.
Apple did not explain why the update was first introduced in China, but over the years, the tech giant has been criticised for appeasing Beijing.
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2012-01-25, 10:19 PM #26Banned
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Even holocust has changed. Rather than it being about killing jewish, mentailly ill, gay or people that don't fit into society or political enemies, in moderns times it about just about jewish with others completely removed or deemphasized., Originally Posted by Diurdi
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2012-01-25, 10:20 PM #27Deleted
What a load of crap, guess they had no actual laws to work on?
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2012-01-25, 10:20 PM #28Stood in the Fire
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I agree with France on this one, Genocide is the worst that can happen, it's not to be denied! In Turkey I bet it's the other way around...
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2012-01-25, 10:21 PM #29Banned
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How do you decide something is genocide. By the enemies of the victors? No one would consider Iraq war as genocide now, but give it time. Originally Posted by Sealbinder
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2012-01-25, 10:22 PM #30The Patient
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No. I agree 100%. Originally Posted by NewOrleansTrolley
I'm not sure where you're from, but from my personal experience that's completely false. Originally Posted by artemishunter1
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2012-01-25, 10:22 PM #31Epic!
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I agree censorship of opinion is a step in the wrong direction. But in todays world of anyone can make their thoughts known, anonymity, and people who enjoy spreading misinformation (trolling, editting sites like wikipedia purposely with misinformation) i think laws upholding unarguable FACT are very much a step in the right direction. Originally Posted by phyto
As a "view point" your view would be that the events do not constitute or deserve being labeled 'geneocide.' That is a view point. Originally Posted by NewOrleansTrolley
Denying the events ever took place is not a view point. That is denying FACT.Last edited by openair; 2012-01-25 at 10:27 PM.
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2012-01-25, 10:22 PM #32Banned
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Does Turkey being a muslim country affect your opinion in any way? Originally Posted by wimbo125
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2012-01-25, 10:23 PM #33Deleted
As a human yes very good.
As an british citizen, france president just trying to get votes; soiling this good thing.
As a realist, we should have moved on and kept the peace, rather than rocking the boat.
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2012-01-25, 10:23 PM #34Banned
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Facts are most assholic thing in exist. It can be easily minipulated. Not to mention, whose fact? Is herosima and nagashaki a genocide? people don't consider that. .. Originally Posted by openair
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2012-01-25, 10:25 PM #35Banned
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You are for people being arrested for having different views of history? Originally Posted by GennGreymane
Scary Big Brother views are scary.
Why not just enact a law in France where everything in the French history books is 100% factual and anyone questioning otherwise should be thrown in jail?
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2012-01-25, 10:27 PM #36Banned
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Oh god I absolutely HATE when people bring this up. The emperor and the Japanese were the most despicable and vile things next to Hitler. Sure the Russians killed the most, but they didn't freeze people's limbs and bash them to see if they could shatter. Originally Posted by artemishunter1
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2012-01-25, 10:28 PM #37The Unstoppable Force
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The holocaust is in itself as much set in stone as saying the earth is a globe and not flat. It is not really up for debate as other things in a history book might very well be. Originally Posted by -Chen Stormstout-
I personally dont think it should be criminal but I am happy that they added this genocide to the list along with the holocaust if the french people decide this is what they would like as a law.Last edited by Bakis; 2012-01-25 at 10:32 PM.
But soon after Mr Xi secured a third term, Apple released a new version of the feature in China, limiting its scope. Now Chinese users of iPhones and other Apple devices are restricted to a 10-minute window when receiving files from people who are not listed as a contact. After 10 minutes, users can only receive files from contacts.
Apple did not explain why the update was first introduced in China, but over the years, the tech giant has been criticised for appeasing Beijing.
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2012-01-25, 10:32 PM #38Epic!
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Facts cannot be easily manipulated. Letting someone tell you something that is not fact is only as easy as you let it be. Things that are discovered to not be correct are not and were never actual fact. They may have been viewed as fact, but that again is only as easy as you let it be. No one denies bombs were dropped on Herosima and Nagashaki... Originally Posted by artemishunter1
True fact requires physical evidence. Everything else is just misunderstanding or opinion. Opinion by definition is not fact...
Also "Genocide is defined as the deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group." Bombs were dropped on Japan to stop WW2, not specifically to kill Japanese civilians only to kill Japanese civilians.Last edited by openair; 2012-01-25 at 10:40 PM.
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2012-01-25, 10:32 PM #39The Unstoppable Force
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Sorry I was out of line
Edited it.
yea I dont mind people saying it, to me they are automatically neo-nazis, mentally ill or never went a day to school if they say that.The holocaust was a hoax.
Just another reason for me to move along, unless they would be neo-nazis. Then it is a good reason to pick the fight with them and at least try to get them to understand how fucked up believes they got.But soon after Mr Xi secured a third term, Apple released a new version of the feature in China, limiting its scope. Now Chinese users of iPhones and other Apple devices are restricted to a 10-minute window when receiving files from people who are not listed as a contact. After 10 minutes, users can only receive files from contacts.
Apple did not explain why the update was first introduced in China, but over the years, the tech giant has been criticised for appeasing Beijing.
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2012-01-25, 10:33 PM #40Titan
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you're wrong on that one. Armanians tried European Court of Human Rights around 2004(may be wrong) and guess what they failed. I'm not trying to create a discussion about this subject which is very deep and intense but even ECHR can't say there is a genocide so things are not clear as you people claim. Armanians died(as well as Turks) no one denies that however was it a genocide that's hard to answer. Originally Posted by Bakis
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