A class can't excel at everything. Stop having the logic "omg, omg i'm not topping the meters, QQ blizz". You think a paladin's dps should be higher than a rogues'? A lock's (which is in a lot of fights now, but you get my point). Then, let's roll paladins everyone. Hybrid dps MUST be below traditional dps classes when the only thing they can do is deeps deeps, while hybrid classes have more roads to follow if they wish to.
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The goal is to make every center of the pact, thats how balancing works. Some fights will favor X over Y etc. Sometimes things are overtuned yes. It happens. Balancing 20+ specs to be equal in every scenario is just asking for homoginization(sp?) to the xstream
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Last edited by Firecrest; 2012-01-26 at 10:30 PM.
So if you get to be top dog who gets to be middle of the pack and last? Cause someone has to be middle/last.
Why do you as a paladin deserve to be better than the other DPS classes?
Blizzard should make every class and skill do 1 damage so then EVERYONE WILL DO EXACTLY THE SAME DPS. *facepalm*
I like ret the way it is atm it seems pretty balanced (in PvE).I would ushaly be in the top 10 dps in my raid(25 man).
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I LOVE my ret pally in pve. In my guild i'm top dps (dont flame. its a casual guild. not the best players around) and its nice to top the meters. And if you want ez mode dps just download CLCret. its like playing simon says. Personally i only use it when i need to pay more attention to whats going on (like those stupid charges on warmaster when the priest puts their healing rain type AoE on the melee and i cant see it)
Ret beats all of the DK specs now. And I'm happy that the game is harder than Wrath. More fun.
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Last edited by Artravus; 2012-01-27 at 12:03 AM.
a non existent bug?
a weapon that functioned almost exactly the same ( if not better) in the hands of a fellow hybrid gets nerfed in our hands?
if ret gets nerfed why doesn't arms?
and frankly ret has been sub par for the whole xpac, we're not talking middle of the pack, we are talking legitimately one of theworst dps specs.
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Rets are doing average (note: average isn't bad, every class should be average in a perfect world) in PVE and great in PVP at the moment. I for one am looking forward to MoP as well.
Judging from the numbers i have seen, we are fine.
Ret is where everyone should be, middle pack on a static boss.
Crap AoE, Crap cleave are far more annoying imo and you really can't compete on some fights.
/golfclap everyone, let me do that again!
The OP asked if ret paladins, who are their mains think ret will be fine come MoP, NOT EVERYONE ELSE.
Anyone who actually played a ret paladin in cataclysm would know that rets werfe the worst fucking excuse for a melee dps aside from enhancement shamans. Raid leaders would prefer a warrior to dps in tanking gear than a ret if rng was any more critical in a ret paladin's rotation.
Cataclysms holy power system broke the continuity of ret dps, that's why ret is middle pack and not tpping charts. You don't see mages tied down to two minute cooldowns and half of their dps tied up in a rng based resource system, even fire mages get off easy cause their rng doesn't rely on a secondary resource to do good dps.
Half of you are so damn complacent at being mediocre it sickens me to think you even play the spec in raids at all. My dps as ret went from top 2 to top 7 on a regular basis( in 10 man),simply because my divine purpose would never proc to help me out when I needed it. That is a bad design if you are dependant on something that is entirely out of your control to help you.
And yes, what of pvp? Not one of you ever spoke a single character of it. And you damn well shouldn't, because none of you seem to understand how broken ret is currently. We received a system that limits our overall output to a 2 minute window, while the rest of the time we mineaswell sit there and auto attack all day. In pvp, our lack of proper gap closing utility has made the spec entirely reliant on outside assitance to even get near our target. No melee dps likes to be handheld through in a competitve environment, and it sickens me again that you all think it is fine and dandy as it is, glad that none of you work for blizzard, but that wouldn't be saying much.
OP, if you truly want to come back to WoW for MoP, never speak of ret again, play a different class, because this is the type of asinine complacency you will get from people in the game, and currently blizzard gave us a semi usable toolset for our talent system that barely corrects the issues we suffer from in both pve and pvp.
I wish you the best of luck without WoW otherwise, just know your not alone on your voyage..
Last edited by Lothaeryn; 2012-01-27 at 06:16 AM.
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Honestly OP i would recommend come back and re roll i played a ret paladin as my main for two years, but after developers screwed us in cata i completely abandoned my paladin sucks cause i really liked my pally but we got beaten way too hard with the nerf bat for it to be fun anymore.
Ret Paladin, the only class that has been in development for 7 years.
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