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  1. #21
    And what I'm saying is that just recasting it every 10 seconds isn't necessarily the time to do it either. Particularly in a situation where you haven't proc'd orbs. So I was musing when is it viable to do it?

    Is it viable to do regardless of your current orb procs?
    Is it viable to substitute some portion of MF channel time to DP GCDs? If so what is that number?
    If we do substitute is there a particular method, for example do you always cast DP immediately after MB so your MF channel time is always consecutive?

    I don't think it's optimal to automatically refresh DP when it's duration is < 15 seconds. There are more variables that decide when DP is more DPS and the only statement that I can make with 100% accuracy is that DP will be more damage when you already have 3 orbs and you cast it in a fashion that you don't cast DP twice in a row and you don't have to perfectly clip MF immediately after a tick (unless you are some ungodly player who can time that perfect every time, I certainly can't with my ping).
    Last edited by Worshaka; 2012-01-31 at 04:51 AM.

  2. #22
    I've been messing around with it, and here's an action list for the BiS setup (has 3202 haste) that spams DP over MF with the MS/MB rotation included. It's actually the same dps (within the margin of error). I have a version that is based off of the default action list that sims 500-700 dps higher than the non ms/mb rotation in BiS gear.

    Test it for yourself Vorend if you're interested.


    I think there's still some room for improvement in what I've done so far. (Mainly testing what you have brought up Worshaka) I mostly just find it interesting that it's the same dps with both options with MB/MS rotation, and actually more with the old rotation

    MS/MB rotation:
    Code:
    #!./simc 
    
    priest=Priest_Shadow_T13H
    origin="http://www.wowhead.com/profile=33771407"
    level=85
    race=troll
    position=back
    role=spell
    use_pre_potion=1
    professions=tailoring=525/blacksmithing=525
    talents=http://www.wowhead.com/talent#priest-032212000000000000000000000000000000000000322032210201222100231
    glyphs=mind_flay/shadow_word_pain/shadow_word_death/spirit_tap
    actions=flask,type=draconic_mind
    actions+=/food,type=seafood_magnifique_feast
    actions+=/fortitude
    actions+=/inner_fire
    actions+=/shadow_form
    actions+=/vampiric_embrace
    actions+=/snapshot_stats
    actions+=/volcanic_potion,if=!in_combat
    actions+=/volcanic_potion,if=buff.bloodlust.react|target.time_to_die<=40
    actions+=/cancel_buff,name=mind_melt,if=cooldown.mind_blast.remains<=0.1
    actions+=/mind_flay,if=buff.dark_evangelism.stack<5&cooldown.shadow_fiend.remains<5
    actions+=/stop_moving,if=(cooldown.mind_blast.remains<2|dot.vampiric_touch.remains<cast_time+2.5)|(buff.bloodlust.up|buff.dark_evangelism.stack<5|(buff.dark_evangelism.stack>=5&buff.dark_evangelism.remains<3)|mana_pct<10)|(pet.shadow_fiend.active&pet.shadow_fiend.remains>gcd+0.6&buff.bloodlust.down)
    actions+=/mind_blast
    actions+=/start_moving,if=!((cooldown.mind_blast.remains<2|dot.vampiric_touch.remains<cast_time+2.5)|(buff.bloodlust.up|buff.dark_evangelism.stack<5|(buff.dark_evangelism.stack>=5&buff.dark_evangelism.remains<3)|mana_pct<10)|(pet.shadow_fiend.active&pet.shadow_fiend.remains>gcd+0.6&buff.bloodlust.down))
    actions+=/shadow_fiend,if=(buff.dark_evangelism.stack>=5&cooldown.archangel.remains<=0.1)|cooldown.archangel.remains>=35|target.time_to_die<=20
    actions+=/archangel,if=buff.dark_evangelism.stack>=5&(pet.shadow_fiend.active|cooldown.shadow_fiend.remains>=100)|target.time_to_die<=20
    actions+=/mind_spike,if=pet.shadow_fiend.active&pet.shadow_fiend.remains>gcd+0.6&buff.bloodlust.down
    actions+=/berserking
    actions+=/vampiric_touch,if=(!ticking|dot.vampiric_touch.remains<cast_time+2*gcd)&miss_react
    actions+=/shadow_word_pain,if=(!ticking|dot.shadow_word_pain.remains<gcd+0.5)&miss_react
    actions+=/devouring_plague,if=(!ticking|dot.devouring_plague.remains<gcd+1)&miss_react
    actions+=/shadow_word_death,health_percentage<=25
    actions+=/shadow_word_death,if=mana_pct<10
    actions+=/mind_flay,if=buff.bloodlust.up|buff.dark_evangelism.stack<5|(buff.dark_evangelism.stack>=5&buff.dark_evangelism.remains<3)|mana_pct<10
    actions+=/devouring_plague,if=mana_pct>=10
    actions+=/dispersion
    head=hood_of_dying_light,heroic=1,type=cloth,ilevel=410,quality=epic,stats=1336armor_489int_824sta_370haste_280crit,reforge=crit_spi,gems=burning_shadowspirit_50int_30int,enchant=60int_35crit
    neck=petrified_fungal_heart,heroic=1,ilevel=410,quality=epic,stats=306int_459sta_204spi_204haste
    shoulders=mantle_of_dying_light,heroic=1,type=cloth,ilevel=410,quality=epic,stats=1233armor_368int_611sta_211crit_268mastery,reforge=crit_spi,gems=50int_50int_20int,enchant=50int_25haste
    chest=robes_of_dying_light,heroic=1,type=cloth,ilevel=410,quality=epic,stats=1644armor_489int_824sta_307spi_362haste,gems=50int_50int_25int_25haste_30int,enchant=20all
    waist=cord_of_the_slain_champion,heroic=1,type=cloth,ilevel=410,quality=epic,stats=925armor_368int_611sta_247crit_256haste,reforge=crit_spi,gems=50int_50int_50int_20int
    legs=leggings_of_dying_light,heroic=1,type=cloth,ilevel=410,quality=epic,stats=1439armor_489int_824sta_331mastery_341haste,gems=50int_50int_25int_25mastery_30int,enchant=95int_55spi
    feet=janglespur_jackboots,heroic=1,type=cloth,ilevel=410,quality=epic,stats=1130armor_368int_611sta_248crit_256haste,reforge=crit_spi,gems=50int_50int_20int,enchant=35mastery
    wrists=bracers_of_the_banished,heroic=1,type=cloth,ilevel=410,quality=epic,stats=719armor_286int_459sta_184mastery_200haste,gems=50int_50int_10int,enchant=50int
    hands=gloves_of_liquid_smoke,heroic=1,type=cloth,ilevel=416,quality=epic,stats=1059armor_391int_647sta_291haste_238crit,reforge=crit_spi,gems=50int_50int_50int_20int,enchant=65mastery
    finger1=ring_of_the_riven,heroic=1,ilevel=410,quality=epic,stats=286int_459sta_189mastery_197haste,gems=50int_10int
    finger2=signet_of_suturing,heroic=1,ilevel=410,quality=epic,stats=286int_459sta_169spi_209haste,gems=50int_10int
    trinket1=will_of_unbinding,heroic=1,ilevel=416,quality=epic,equip=onharmfulspellcast_99int_100%_10dur_10stack
    trinket2=cunning_of_the_cruel,heroic=1,ilevel=410,quality=epic,stats=517int,equip=onspelldamage_11937+105.8shadow_15%_25cd
    back=woundlicker_cover,ilevel=397,quality=epic,stats=769armor_251int_406sta_184spi_148haste,reforge=haste_mastery,gems=50int_10int,enchant=lightweave_embroidery
    main_hand=dragonwrath_tarecgosas_rest,ilevel=397,quality=legendary,stats=426int_730sta_314hit_271haste_2786sp,gems=50int_50int_50int_30int,enchant=power_torrent,weapon=staff_3.30speed_869min_1304max
    ranged=finger_of_zonozz,heroic=1,ilevel=410,quality=epic,stats=172int_259sta_120mastery_106haste
    # Gear Summary
    # gear_strength=20
    # gear_agility=20
    # gear_stamina=8203
    # gear_intellect=7261
    # gear_spirit=1428
    # gear_spell_power=2786
    # gear_hit_rating=314
    # gear_crit_rating=771
    # gear_haste_rating=3202
    # gear_mastery_rating=1276
    # gear_armor=10254
    # meta_gem=burning_shadowspirit
    # tier13_2pc_caster=1
    # tier13_4pc_caster=1
    # back=woundlicker_cover,enchant=lightweave_embroidery
    # main_hand=dragonwrath_tarecgosas_rest,weapon=staff_3.30speed_869min_1304max,enchant=power_torrent
    Normal Rotation: (Sims 700 dps higher than simcrafts current default. (Old rotation))
    Code:
    #!./simc 
    
    priest=Priest_Shadow_T13H
    origin="http://www.wowhead.com/profile=33771407"
    level=85
    race=troll
    position=back
    role=spell
    use_pre_potion=1
    professions=tailoring=525/blacksmithing=525
    talents=http://www.wowhead.com/talent#priest-032212000000000000000000000000000000000000322032210201222100231
    glyphs=mind_flay/shadow_word_pain/shadow_word_death/spirit_tap
    actions=flask,type=draconic_mind
    actions+=/food,type=seafood_magnifique_feast
    actions+=/fortitude
    actions+=/inner_fire
    actions+=/shadow_form
    actions+=/vampiric_embrace
    actions+=/snapshot_stats
    actions+=/volcanic_potion,if=!in_combat
    actions+=/volcanic_potion,if=buff.bloodlust.react|target.time_to_die<=40
    actions+=/stop_moving,if=(cooldown.mind_blast.remains<2.5|dot.vampiric_touch.remains<cast_time+2.5)|(buff.bloodlust.up|buff.dark_archangel.up|buff.dark_evangelism.stack<5|(buff.dark_evangelism.stack>=5&buff.dark_evangelism.remains<3)|(mana_pct<10&cooldown.shadow_word_death.remains>gcd+1.0))
    actions+=/mind_blast
    actions+=/start_moving,if=(cooldown.mind_blast.remains>2.5&dot.vampiric_touch.remains>cast_time+2.5)&!(buff.bloodlust.up|buff.dark_archangel.up|buff.dark_evangelism.stack<5|(buff.dark_evangelism.stack>=5&buff.dark_evangelism.remains<3)|(mana_pct<10&cooldown.shadow_word_death.remains>gcd+1.0))
    actions+=/berserking
    actions+=/shadow_word_pain,if=(!ticking|dot.shadow_word_pain.remains<gcd+0.5)&miss_react
    actions+=/devouring_plague,if=(!ticking|dot.devouring_plague.remains<gcd+1.0)&miss_react
    actions+=/vampiric_touch,if=(!ticking|dot.vampiric_touch.remains<cast_time+2.5)&miss_react
    actions+=/archangel,if=buff.dark_evangelism.stack>=5&dot.vampiric_touch.remains>5&dot.devouring_plague.remains>5
    actions+=/shadow_word_death,health_percentage<=25
    actions+=/shadow_fiend
    actions+=/shadow_word_death,if=mana_pct<10
    actions+=/mind_flay,if=buff.bloodlust.up|buff.dark_archangel.up|buff.dark_evangelism.stack<5|(buff.dark_evangelism.stack>=5&buff.dark_evangelism.remains<3)|mana_pct<10
    actions+=/devouring_plague,if=mana_pct>=10
    actions+=/dispersion
    head=hood_of_dying_light,heroic=1,type=cloth,ilevel=410,quality=epic,stats=1336armor_489int_824sta_370haste_280crit,reforge=crit_spi,gems=burning_shadowspirit_50int_30int,enchant=60int_35crit
    neck=petrified_fungal_heart,heroic=1,ilevel=410,quality=epic,stats=306int_459sta_204spi_204haste
    shoulders=mantle_of_dying_light,heroic=1,type=cloth,ilevel=410,quality=epic,stats=1233armor_368int_611sta_211crit_268mastery,reforge=crit_spi,gems=50int_50int_20int,enchant=50int_25haste
    chest=robes_of_dying_light,heroic=1,type=cloth,ilevel=410,quality=epic,stats=1644armor_489int_824sta_307spi_362haste,gems=50int_50int_25int_25haste_30int,enchant=20all
    waist=cord_of_the_slain_champion,heroic=1,type=cloth,ilevel=410,quality=epic,stats=925armor_368int_611sta_247crit_256haste,reforge=crit_spi,gems=50int_50int_50int_20int
    legs=leggings_of_dying_light,heroic=1,type=cloth,ilevel=410,quality=epic,stats=1439armor_489int_824sta_331mastery_341haste,gems=50int_50int_25int_25mastery_30int,enchant=95int_55spi
    feet=janglespur_jackboots,heroic=1,type=cloth,ilevel=410,quality=epic,stats=1130armor_368int_611sta_248crit_256haste,reforge=crit_spi,gems=50int_50int_20int,enchant=35mastery
    wrists=bracers_of_the_banished,heroic=1,type=cloth,ilevel=410,quality=epic,stats=719armor_286int_459sta_184mastery_200haste,gems=50int_50int_10int,enchant=50int
    hands=gloves_of_liquid_smoke,heroic=1,type=cloth,ilevel=416,quality=epic,stats=1059armor_391int_647sta_291haste_238crit,reforge=crit_spi,gems=50int_50int_50int_20int,enchant=65mastery
    finger1=ring_of_the_riven,heroic=1,ilevel=410,quality=epic,stats=286int_459sta_189mastery_197haste,gems=50int_10int
    finger2=signet_of_suturing,heroic=1,ilevel=410,quality=epic,stats=286int_459sta_169spi_209haste,gems=50int_10int
    trinket1=will_of_unbinding,heroic=1,ilevel=416,quality=epic,equip=onharmfulspellcast_99int_100%_10dur_10stack
    trinket2=cunning_of_the_cruel,heroic=1,ilevel=410,quality=epic,stats=517int,equip=onspelldamage_11937+105.8shadow_15%_25cd
    back=woundlicker_cover,ilevel=397,quality=epic,stats=769armor_251int_406sta_184spi_148haste,reforge=haste_mastery,gems=50int_10int,enchant=lightweave_embroidery
    main_hand=dragonwrath_tarecgosas_rest,ilevel=397,quality=legendary,stats=426int_730sta_314hit_271haste_2786sp,gems=50int_50int_50int_30int,enchant=power_torrent,weapon=staff_3.30speed_869min_1304max
    ranged=finger_of_zonozz,heroic=1,ilevel=410,quality=epic,stats=172int_259sta_120mastery_106haste
    # Gear Summary
    # gear_strength=20
    # gear_agility=20
    # gear_stamina=8203
    # gear_intellect=7261
    # gear_spirit=1428
    # gear_spell_power=2786
    # gear_hit_rating=314
    # gear_crit_rating=771
    # gear_haste_rating=3202
    # gear_mastery_rating=1276
    # gear_armor=10254
    # meta_gem=burning_shadowspirit
    # tier13_2pc_caster=1
    # tier13_4pc_caster=1
    # back=woundlicker_cover,enchant=lightweave_embroidery
    # main_hand=dragonwrath_tarecgosas_rest,weapon=staff_3.30speed_869min_1304max,enchant=power_torrent
    Last edited by Brusalk; 2012-01-31 at 09:24 AM.

  3. #23
    3202 haste is not BiS anymore with the MS/MB rotation. Adding that mana conditional to mind flay is weird too.

    *edit*

    This is what I thought, you go oom (well, 10% mana) very fast, then get back to an alternating MFlaying/DPing with that action list.

    *edit2*

    When reforged correctly (around 2240 haste), it's definitely a dps loss

    Still, the results are interesting.
    Last edited by Vorend; 2012-01-31 at 06:37 PM.

  4. #24
    Well You're assuming that 2240 haste is the best reforging option when using that action list, which it is not. Thus the 3202 list is most likely the BiS list for that type of rotation. Obviously when you lose the ability to spam DP, it will be a dps loss to try to do so.

    The mana conditional is so that when below 10% and swd is on cd, you are flaying rather than waiting.

    But yes, they are some interesting results.

  5. #25
    Who would choose that type of rotation if there is a better one yielding almost 1k more dps?

  6. #26
    Probably no one. Though it has applicability in fight with high-movement. I was merely pointing out that you were discrediting the rotation based off of an assumed gear set which would in itself be sub-optimal. That's all I was trying to point out.

    Also, the first action list yields the same dps as the ms/mb action list provided on HTP, just with significantly more running around spamming DP.

  7. #27
    I still get an error with 'pet.shadow_fiend.remains>gcd+0.6', anyone know what is wrong with this or the right syntax to get the same effect?

  8. #28
    I don't get an error when I use the line in your first post.

    actions+=/shadow_fiend, if=pet.shadow_fiend.remains>gcd+0.6

    That should work, and works in my simcraft.

    Can you post the error that simcraft is giving you in the results tab?

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