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  1. #3001
    Quote Originally Posted by Moontalon View Post
    I don't think that's actually a pool table, but I saw James and Kaidan playing cards there once.
    Just saw the green velvet and assumed pool, opps... card table makes a lot more sense. I never saw that though, mind you I have Ashley not Kaidan. Thanks I'll keep a eye out for it next time through. I was hoping there would be a scene where Shepard is playing with some crew members. Shepard, Garrus and James playing cards would be an awesome scene.
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  2. #3002
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duncanîdaho View Post
    Just saw the green velvet and assumed pool, opps... card table makes a lot more sense. I never saw that though, mind you I have Ashley not Kaidan. Thanks I'll keep a eye out for it next time through. I was hoping there would be a scene where Shepard is playing with some crew members. Shepard, Garrus and James playing cards would be an awesome scene.
    I don't think it matters, I had Ashley alive too but still saw some of the crew playing there. Don't remember who exactly though.
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  3. #3003
    Quote Originally Posted by ita View Post
    I don't think it matters, I had Ashley alive too but still saw some of the crew playing there. Don't remember who exactly though.
    I had Kaiden and James.

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    did i just hear somebody insult mordin? time to grab my scapel
    someone else might have gotten it wrong.

  5. #3005
    Quote Originally Posted by Duncanîdaho View Post
    Escorting wussy scientists to a safe area. I figured Moradin was way to wussy to survive on his own let alone guard people. Honestly the best thing to do with him is just let him be, and do his own thing and just make sure he's loyal.
    Hey guys, I found a CoD player.

  6. #3006
    Recently read a 40K/ME crossover fanfiction. Got me to thinkin' how long them ME protagonists could keep up their devil may care, cocksure bullshittery when they had to deal with a Khornate Berzerker.

  7. #3007
    Quote Originally Posted by Frostbane View Post
    Recently read a 40K/ME crossover fanfiction. Got me to thinkin' how long them ME protagonists could keep up their devil may care, cocksure bullshittery when they had to deal with a Khornate Berzerker.
    Shepard and crew are already dealing with opponents that give them fairly close to a zero percent chance for victory. I don't see how stacking the odds against them more would change their outlook on life.
    If Goku's power level increases at the same rate till the end of DBGT as it does till the end of the Frieza saga, as a SS4 Goku would have a PL of roughly 939 Quinoctogintillion. For reference that is a 260 digit number. A PL of 14,600 is required to destroy an earth sized planet. There are about 2 nonillion earths worth of mass in the universe. That means SS4 Goku can destroy the universe about 32 Octosexagintillion times over. There's a reason they made Goku a god at the end of GT.

  8. #3008
    Quote Originally Posted by Frostbane View Post
    Recently read a 40K/ME crossover fanfiction. Got me to thinkin' how long them ME protagonists could keep up their devil may care, cocksure bullshittery when they had to deal with a Khornate Berzerker.
    A Khornate Berzerker would just owned by anyone with biotics.

    Where did you find that fan fiction anyway?

  9. #3009
    Quote Originally Posted by Toccs View Post
    A Khornate Berzerker would just owned by anyone with biotics.

    Where did you find that fan fiction anyway?
    Psykers > Biotics

    And believe me when I say Berzerkers own a lot of them. Anyway, they're renowned as the best warriors in a setting where everyone is a scarily competent killer, so I'd say give a single Khornate Champion some time and he'd eradicate every damn thing in Mass Effect.

    For the other guy, here it is.

    http://z6.invisionfree.com/bljunkies...pic=1260&st=60

    I didn't like it. These so-called Space Marines are too fucking tolerant. Kullas should have torn Tali in two fine pieces, not inducted her to the Adeptus Mechanicus. That said, I do like the amount of punishment she goes through. Now if only Miranda would also die, and every one else aside from Zaeed. Ashley's okay, but I liked the old hairstyle.

    PS: Go to page one. Shokk Attack Guns!
    Last edited by Frostbane; 2012-03-27 at 12:35 PM.

  10. #3010
    Quote Originally Posted by Frostbane View Post
    Psykers > Biotics

    And believe me when I say Berzerkers own a lot of them. Anyway, they're renowned as the best warriors in a setting where everyone is a scarily competent killer, so I'd say give a single Khornate Champion some time and he'd eradicate every damn thing in Mass Effect.

    For the other guy, here it is.

    http://z6.invisionfree.com/bljunkies...pic=1260&st=60

    I didn't like it. These so-called Space Marines are too fucking tolerant. Kullas should have torn Tali in two fine pieces, not inducted her to the Adeptus Mechanicus. That said, I do like the amount of punishment she goes through. Now if only Miranda would also die, and every one else aside from Zaeed. Ashley's okay, but I liked the old hairstyle.

    PS: Go to page one. Shokk Attack Guns!
    Read the wiki page on the Khornate Berserkers, and they don't sound that tough. Saying that a single one could kill everything in Mass Effect sounds like a huge over exaggeration. Can they survive direct hits from nuclear missiles? If not, 1v1 I think Shepard could win. Shepard pulls out Cain, Shepard fires Cain, Cain barbecues Berserker.

    Reading on the wiki some more, it seems that Psykers being more powerful than Biotics is a meaningless comparison in regards to Biotics vs Berserkers, as the Blood God makes them immune/resistant to psychic powers. So, unless they have some other form of protection, a singularity would render them helpless.
    Last edited by Laurcus; 2012-03-27 at 12:41 PM.
    If Goku's power level increases at the same rate till the end of DBGT as it does till the end of the Frieza saga, as a SS4 Goku would have a PL of roughly 939 Quinoctogintillion. For reference that is a 260 digit number. A PL of 14,600 is required to destroy an earth sized planet. There are about 2 nonillion earths worth of mass in the universe. That means SS4 Goku can destroy the universe about 32 Octosexagintillion times over. There's a reason they made Goku a god at the end of GT.

  11. #3011
    Quote Originally Posted by Laurcus View Post
    Read the wiki page on the Khornate Berserkers, and they don't sound that tough. Saying that a single one could kill everything in Mass Effect sounds like a huge over exaggeration. Can they survive direct hits from nuclear missiles? If not, 1v1 I think Shepard could win. Shepard pulls out Cain, Shepard fires Cain, Cain barbecues Berserker.
    Jup Or Shep laser marks the Berserker and then the Normandy fries him with it´s weapons. No match against the ME Universe with big fucking spaceships and stuff.

    Heck Shepard could even call Kalros and then she will fuck the Berserker nontheless.

    Edit: Best cinematic in any game thus far !! Kalros vs Reaper on Tuchanka.
    Last edited by The Illusive Man; 2012-03-27 at 12:43 PM.

  12. #3012
    Quote Originally Posted by Laurcus View Post
    Read the wiki page on the Khornate Berserkers, and they don't sound that tough. Saying that a single one could kill everything in Mass Effect sounds like a huge over exaggeration. Can they survive direct hits from nuclear missiles? If not, 1v1 I think Shepard could win. Shepard pulls out Cain, Shepard fires Cain, Cain barbecues Berserker.

    Reading on the wiki some more, it seems that Psykers being more powerful than Biotics is a meaningless comparison in regards to Biotics vs Berserkers, as the Blood God makes them immune/resistant to psychic powers. So, unless they have some other form of protection, a singularity would render them helpless.
    Daemonic gifts from their all-powerful God of War and Rage. Seriously, Khorne is a generous patron.

    Armour that's been designed to resist anything. It's ceremite and adamantium. Materials that, in the context of the 40K setting, are night unbreakable. And 40K has a lot of shit to test that.(seriously, by 40K standards, Nukes are small-fry) And occasionally, it has daemons living in side it. Not to mention that their weaponry had monomolecular edges that can also cut through the same materials as above like so much damned butter. Occasionally has daemons inside it.

    Immortality.

    So yeah, the Berzerker Champion would win. Oh let's not get started on the Chaos Lords. Or the Daemon Princes. Or the Greater Daemons who make even the Daemon Primarchs look like maggots.
    Last edited by Frostbane; 2012-03-27 at 12:48 PM.

  13. #3013
    Quote Originally Posted by Frostbane View Post
    Daemonic gifts from their all-powerful God of War and Rage.

    Armour that's been designed to resist anything. (seriously, by 40K standards, Nukes are small-fry)

    Immortality.

    So yeah, the Berzerker Champion would win. Oh let's not get started on the Chaos Lords. Or the Daemon Princes. Or the Greater Daemons who make even the Daemon Primarchs look like maggots.
    So why can Shepard kill big fucking Reapers then?? They are pretty much invulnerable too. So much 40k love in your posts

  14. #3014
    Quote Originally Posted by Megaira View Post
    So why can Shepard kill big fucking Reapers then?? They are pretty much invulnerable too. So much 40k love in your posts
    Plot armor, ceramite doesnt stand chance against that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Megaira View Post
    So why can Shepard kill big fucking Reapers then?? They are pretty much invulnerable too. So much 40k love in your posts
    Compared to anything in 40K, Reapers wouldn't stand a chance against a competent Imperial Guard regiment. 40K has Necrons, the same basic idea of eldritch robots, but much, much nastier.

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    seriously why do you even bother making ''comparisons'' ( yea i know there was that story mixing both
    ) its 2 different universes and they have different standards for whats powerful and whats not and right now it sounds more and more like ''mine is bigger than yours''

  17. #3017
    Quote Originally Posted by gegalfo View Post
    seriously why do you even bother making ''comparisons'' ( yea i know there was that story mixing both
    ) its 2 different universes and they have different standards for whats powerful and whats not and right now it sounds more and more like ''mine is bigger than yours''
    But it's fuuunn. Or perhaps more honestly, I find it fun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frostbane View Post
    Daemonic gifts from their all-powerful God of War and Rage. Seriously, Khorne is a generous patron.

    Armour that's been designed to resist anything. It's ceremite and adamantium. Materials that, in the context of the 40K setting, are night unbreakable. And 40K has a lot of shit to test that.(seriously, by 40K standards, Nukes are small-fry) And occasionally, it has daemons living in side it. Not to mention that their weaponry had monomolecular edges that can also cut through the same materials as above like so much damned butter. Occasionally has daemons inside it.

    Immortality.

    So yeah, the Berzerker Champion would win. Oh let's not get started on the Chaos Lords. Or the Daemon Princes. Or the Greater Daemons who make even the Daemon Primarchs look like maggots.
    I don't know a lot about Warhammer, so I'm going off what I'm reading as I write this, so correct me if I'm wrong. There is nothing called a Berserker Champion. The closest I was able to find is a Khornate Champion, which is a rank 4 Chaos Warrior.

    Armor in Warhammer is made of Ceramite, and Plasteel. Surviving a nuclear explosion isn't about armor being unbreakable. The reason Space Marines can survive nukes is that Ceramite conducts virtually no heat. Chaos Warrior armor is not made of Ceramite or Adamantium though, it's made of Plasteel, which has no notes about not conducting heat.

    Saying that Khornate Berserkers are empowered by Khorne doesn't help further any kind of discussion. It would be nice if you would list ways that they are empowered. Judging by the page on Chaos Warriors and Khornate Berserkers, the main gifts that Khorne gives are increased physical strength, genetic mutations that will eventually result in being turned into a Daemon, but only with approval from the other 3 Chaos Gods, and resistance to psychic attacks.

    From what I've read, Chaos Warriors are not immortal, not even the rank 6 Everchosen. The wiki makes it sound like immortality is a goal for Chaos warriors, almost like a fable that's unreachable. Reminds me of Super Saiyan lol.

    Also, do not try to change the terms of argument. Your claim was that a single Khornate Berserker could kill everything in Mass Effect. Therefore, Daemon Princes, Chaos Lords, Greater Daemons, and Daemon Primarchs are irrelevant. I have seen no evidence that a Chaos Warrior could survive a nuke. Even if their armor was unbreakable, without being made of Ceramite it would conduct heat, and would simply act as a pressure cooker for anything inside. The armor would survive, the Chaos Warrior would not.

    That's irrelevant though, as they appear to have no means of defending themselves from a biotic singularity. So any decent Biotic could simply slap their ass with a singularity, keep it up constantly, drag them to an uninhabited planet, strand them there, and crash an asteroid into that system's Mass Relay. Even if they could survive a nuke, I doubt a Chaos Warrior could survive an explosion powerful enough to destroy a solar system. And even if it could, it'd still be stranded.

    And yes, I read wikis fast as fuck.
    Last edited by Laurcus; 2012-03-27 at 01:17 PM.
    If Goku's power level increases at the same rate till the end of DBGT as it does till the end of the Frieza saga, as a SS4 Goku would have a PL of roughly 939 Quinoctogintillion. For reference that is a 260 digit number. A PL of 14,600 is required to destroy an earth sized planet. There are about 2 nonillion earths worth of mass in the universe. That means SS4 Goku can destroy the universe about 32 Octosexagintillion times over. There's a reason they made Goku a god at the end of GT.

  19. #3019
    Quote Originally Posted by Laurcus View Post
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    I think that by using term "khorne champion", Frostbane meant Khârn the Betrayer, that guy was killed 2 times and still brings mayhem to galaxy.

    But yeah, Frostbane often overglorifies things he likes so its better to ignore him.

  20. #3020
    Quote Originally Posted by Laurcus View Post
    I don't know a lot about Warhammer, so I'm going off what I'm reading as I write this, so correct me if I'm wrong. There is nothing called a Berserker Champion. The closest I was able to find is a Khornate Champion, which is a rank 4 Chaos Warrior.
    Berzerker Champion = Khornate Champion. Interchangeable terms.

    [/quote]Armor in Warhammer is made of Ceramite, and Plasteel. Surviving a nuclear explosion isn't about armor being unbreakable. The reason Space Marines can survive nukes is that Ceramite conducts virtually no heat. Chaos Warrior armor is not made of Ceramite or Adamantium though, it's made of Plasteel, which has no notes about not conducting heat.[quote]

    Once again, Chaos Marines compensate for their aging technology by allowing Chaos to bless it. That provides them with many advantages, many of which defy reality. There is a set of Chaos armor in Dawn of War II that in fact is said to grow stronger when struck by harmful blow, in it's description. Oh yeah, and Lord Eliphas the Inheritor's final talent in his Khornate specialization is to exude an aura of warp fire, so it's possible that Khorne's champions can get heat resistance.

    Saying that Khornate Berserkers are empowered by Khorne doesn't help further any kind of discussion. It would be nice if you would list ways that they are empowered. Judging by the page on Chaos Warriors and Khornate Berserkers, the main gifts that Khorne gives are increased physical strength, genetic mutations that will eventually result in being turned into a Daemon, but only with approval from the other 3 Chaos Gods, and resistance to psychic attacks.
    Yeah. In some cases, however, Khorne's warriors attain a special enhancement called the 'Blessing of the Blood God', which among other things, gives a complete resistance to all psychic abilities. Correct me if I am wrong, but aren't Biotics psychically gifted individuals?

    From what I've read, Chaos Warriors are not immortal, not even the rank 6 Everchosen. The wiki makes it sound like immortality is a goal for Chaos warriors, almost like a fable that's unreachable. Reminds me of Super Saiyan lol.
    A point of great contention in the fluff itself. The point is this, Chaos Marines are immortal in the sense, that like most Marines, they did not age and will not die of disease or any other 'peaceful' means. Chaos Champions pretty much seek Immortality in two respects; never die from wounds, and be always remembered as mighty. You know, the whole 'song of my life told in many a gilded hall'.

    Also, do not try to change the terms of argument. Your claim was that a single Khornate Berserker could kill everything in Mass Effect. Therefore, Daemon Princes, Chaos Lords, Greater Daemons, and Daemon Primarchs are irrelevant. I have seen no evidence that a Chaos Warrior could survive a nuke. Even if their armor was unbreakable, without being made of Ceramite it would conduct heat, and would simply act as a pressure cooker for anything inside. The armor would survive, the Chaos Warrior would not.
    Once again, their biological enhancements along with their daemonic resilience would provide them with admirable resistance against heat. In fact, as they are possibly partially daemonic, they have resistance against standard laser and slug weaponry, more so than regular Astartes. Also, Khorne's daemons are perhaps the second most attuned to fire, aside from those of Tzeentch. Bloodletters carry blades wreathed in flame, and Bloodthirsters have fiery whips. Azariah Kyras, a Khornate daemon, breathed fire in the climax of Dawn of War II: Retribution.

    That's irrelevant though, as they appear to have no means of defending themselves from a biotic singularity. So any decent Biotic could simply slap their ass with a singularity, keep it up constantly, drag them to an uninhabited planet, strand them there, and crash an asteroid into that system's Mass Relay. Even if they could survive a nuke, I doubt a Chaos Warrior could survive an explosion powerful enough to destroy a solar system. And even if it could, it's still be stranded.

    And yes, I read wikis fast as fuck.
    See the Blessing of the Blood God. Furthermore, it's not as if Khornate Warriors have no experience with psychic individuals. Psykers in 40K are infinitely more dangerous, in that their powers summon daemons, send forth balls of warpfire that can destroy on rushing battalions, they can form psychic storms that block travel through the warp. And the most potent can snap several hundred kilometre tall mechs with a lazy gesture. Don't know what a 'singularity' is, though. Barely ever played ME.
    Last edited by Frostbane; 2012-03-27 at 01:38 PM.

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