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    Quote Originally Posted by Moontalon View Post
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    You can use those if you want. Yes, I was lazy and just cropped the artwork in Photoshop. Shhhh! Don't judge!

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    I only saw a few minutes of it but it looked slicker than a lubed up olympic swimmer fleeing from a shark.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaeed Massani View Post
    It's your work, you go ahead and use them. ^^
    It took me like a minute... and anyone could have cropped the images.... lol

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    I really didn't mind the star kid. My distaste for the ending was solely about the whole 'it's organics vs synthetics' thing. The whole 'the machines will rebel' thing is so trite and cliche that seeing ME fall back on it for the end of its trilogy made me face palm after how wonderfully they'd handled ai such as the geth and EDI throughout the trilogy. The extended ending made it passable by filling in plot holes but I still don't care for the endings at all because of the very weak premise for the reaper cycle.

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    So I just started up multiplayer again after like a 4 month break. Its soooo hard to choose between arsenal or reserve packs. >_< Also did vanguards get buffed or were they always so good? I did some golds with a 200% recharge and defensive build and I tore things apart. Female Human Charge + Nova. Charge was up so frequently that I was literally invincible. Only deaths were from banshees etc grabbing me after a charge lol. Solved that by never charging the front.

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    If played right Vanguards are indeed extremely deadly. I can't remember if they've been buffed recently or not.
    Quote Originally Posted by Erin View Post
    I only saw a few minutes of it but it looked slicker than a lubed up olympic swimmer fleeing from a shark.

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    Vanguards are very high risk/high reward to begin with. They trade using their own shields for high damage. lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Florena View Post
    I really didn't mind the star kid. My distaste for the ending was solely about the whole 'it's organics vs synthetics' thing. The whole 'the machines will rebel' thing is so trite and cliche that seeing ME fall back on it for the end of its trilogy made me face palm after how wonderfully they'd handled ai such as the geth and EDI throughout the trilogy. The extended ending made it passable by filling in plot holes but I still don't care for the endings at all because of the very weak premise for the reaper cycle.
    Which reminds me of a question I wanted to ask, for those of you that have played Leviathan. I share the same view as Florena about the ending (that the star-kid and the AI vs. organics theme cheapened the series and The Reapers). Without giving out any spoilers, will Leviathan make some sense out of the ending and make it less cliché?

    (Considering whether to buy it or not)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Florena View Post
    I really didn't mind the star kid. My distaste for the ending was solely about the whole 'it's organics vs synthetics' thing. The whole 'the machines will rebel' thing is so trite and cliche that seeing ME fall back on it for the end of its trilogy made me face palm after how wonderfully they'd handled ai such as the geth and EDI throughout the trilogy. The extended ending made it passable by filling in plot holes but I still don't care for the endings at all because of the very weak premise for the reaper cycle.
    It wasn't that machines will rebel, it was that organics and synthetics would always try to rule over each other. The only machine that rebelled was the Catalyst, the rest were not rebelling so much as they were unable to peacefully coexist with each other. One side always ignored peace to terminate the other which is why the Leviathans created the Catalyst in the first place. To find a solution that would allow for peace between Synthetics and Organics.

    The question you have to ask yourself is did the cycle and solution actually work? Was it the result of countless culling and "forced" evolution that produced the circumstances that allowed Shepard to do what he did? Or was Shepard and his "peace" just a fluke of the cycle? Could anyone have brought about the catalyst or was it something that required Humanity.

    If you take the ending at face value then sure it might be weak or cliche. But if you think about the ending, the questions left unresolved, and how the universe got to where it ended it is anything but.

    Besides I doubt anything would have been labeled as a strong premise for a billion year old cycle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dezerte View Post
    Which reminds me of a question I wanted to ask, for those of you that have played Leviathan. I share the same view as Florena about the ending (that the star-kid and the AI vs. organics theme cheapened the series and The Reapers). Without giving out any spoilers, will Leviathan make some sense out of the ending and make it less cliché?

    (Considering whether to buy it or not)
    I haven't played the ending after Leviathan but I've been told it doesn't change the ending much, just a couple extra lines of dialogue. What it changed is it gives you more insight into the Reapers and their cycles, and how it all began. I felt it was a nice change from just "Organics and synthetics don't get along. ...What? You managed to get the geth and the quarians to get along? Well... that doesn't matter! It's... it's temporary! They'll kill each other again soon, just watch!" But the whole synthetics/organics conflict remains there. Overall I would recommend getting leviathan regardless though just because it's an awesome DLC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aikoyamamato View Post
    So I just started up multiplayer again after like a 4 month break. Its soooo hard to choose between arsenal or reserve packs. >_< Also did vanguards get buffed or were they always so good? I did some golds with a 200% recharge and defensive build and I tore things apart. Female Human Charge + Nova. Charge was up so frequently that I was literally invincible. Only deaths were from banshees etc grabbing me after a charge lol. Solved that by never charging the front.
    They have always been powerful. The Krogan Vanguard was one of the best choices for a lot of folks because of its near invincible status. (General Vanguard kit combined with the Krogan melee survival traits). Sync kills are really the only downfall of a properly outfitted and played Vanguard. Of course there are now easier weapon and kit combinations (Turian with Stim packs are crazy with the right weapons).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dezerte View Post
    Which reminds me of a question I wanted to ask, for those of you that have played Leviathan. I share the same view as Florena about the ending (that the star-kid and the AI vs. organics theme cheapened the series and The Reapers). Without giving out any spoilers, will Leviathan make some sense out of the ending and make it less cliché?

    (Considering whether to buy it or not)
    No. The endings, and reasons for the ending, don't change with Leviathan. They only get explained a little. So it shouldn't change if you feel it is cliche or not because those same things that made it cliche are still there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moontalon View Post
    I felt it was a nice change from just "Organics and synthetics don't get along. ...What? You managed to get the geth and the quarians to get along? Well... that doesn't matter! It's... it's temporary! They'll kill each other again soon, just watch!" But the whole synthetics/organics conflict remains there. Overall I would recommend getting leviathan regardless though just because it's an awesome DLC.
    The Geth and Quarian peace is all in the short term. Nor did the Catalyst or anything else stop there from being short term peace between Organics and Synthetics. The premise was that at some point the trouble would always break out again because of the fundamentally different reasoning processes. In another 100 years of Geth and Quarian peace what is to stop a new spark because a Quarian wanted to reprogram a geth against its will? Or that Krogan wouldn't create an AI that goes out of control?

    Eventually some synthetic or organic life form would break the peace.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    The Geth and Quarian peace is all in the short term. Nor did the Catalyst or anything else stop there from being short term peace between Organics and Synthetics. The premise was that at some point the trouble would always break out again because of the fundamentally different reasoning processes. In another 100 years of Geth and Quarian peace what is to stop a new spark because a Quarian wanted to reprogram a geth against its will? Or that Krogan wouldn't create an AI that goes out of control?

    Eventually some synthetic or organic life form would break the peace.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    It wasn't that machines will rebel, it was that organics and synthetics would always try to rule over each other. The only machine that rebelled was the Catalyst, the rest were not rebelling so much as they were unable to peacefully coexist with each other. One side always ignored peace to terminate the other which is why the Leviathans created the Catalyst in the first place. To find a solution that would allow for peace between Synthetics and Organics.

    The question you have to ask yourself is did the cycle and solution actually work? Was it the result of countless culling and "forced" evolution that produced the circumstances that allowed Shepard to do what he did? Or was Shepard and his "peace" just a fluke of the cycle? Could anyone have brought about the catalyst or was it something that required Humanity.

    If you take the ending at face value then sure it might be weak or cliche. But if you think about the ending, the questions left unresolved, and how the universe got to where it ended it is anything but.

    Besides I doubt anything would have been labeled as a strong premise for a billion year old cycle.
    It may be anthropomorphic to say this but I absolutely think it did require humanity. If Asari were writing this game then I guess it would require Asari but since the writers are (I presume Human) then no matter what the genre or setting were writing with what Faulkner described as the human heart in conflict with itself. Of course the only people who can resolve that are humans.

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    Just got colectors rifle and the rifle, plus Piranha! ~~~ Throwing all my money at those weapon packs >.< Really need some better gear =_=

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    I keep getting the damn Geth SMG and Collector SMG (4 times in a row), I really need the Carnifex/Reegar/Harrier for some of my builds. In other news finally got the Black Widow muahahah, after an eternity and a half.

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    I'm after the bloody Harrier too >.<

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat1337 View Post
    I keep getting the damn Geth SMG and Collector SMG (4 times in a row), I really need the Carnifex/Reegar/Harrier for some of my builds. In other news finally got the Black Widow muahahah, after an eternity and a half.
    I just got my Reegar Carbine. I'm kinda torn on it. It totally blows things up (no shields = dead in 2 seconds) but it has such a short range! I might try it with my Krogan Sentinel.

    Re:Vanguards: Would Krogan Vanguard outperform the Human (Nova)? With full Alliance training/fitness and some defensive charge abilities taken I feel pretty solid in regards to taking damage when my shields are down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aikoyamamato View Post
    I just got my Reegar Carbine. I'm kinda torn on it. It totally blows things up (no shields = dead in 2 seconds) but it has such a short range! I might try it with my Krogan Sentinel.
    Yeah I need my Reegar for my Vorcha Sentinel. Flamer + Reeger = Me turning into a pyromaniac

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    I heard theres some trick to using the reeger carbine and the flamer at the same time but I couldn't get it to work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moontalon View Post
    Vanguards are very high risk/high reward to begin with. They trade using their own shields for high damage. lol
    Not necessarily if you take the Krogan Vanguard as example. It has tons of Shields and Health (1850 both with fitness) and Barrier absorbs a shit ton of damage and with the perk that restores 50% more Barrier after Biotic charge means that you are guaranteed to have full Barriers all the time if you have 200% power recharge.

    I play a Kroguard primarily for soloing and it rips things apart. I use the Disciple shotgun because it is light and have everything except Carnage maxed (full durability and power damage). I kill most small enemies on Silver with a single Biotic charge and have a AoE perk for the charge which is kinda handy.

    So Vanguards are one of the best classes for soloing because they are so durable. I enjoy the Geth Trooper too because the flamer is so amazing and the Trooper has a lot of shields too

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Illusive Man View Post
    Not necessarily if you take the Krogan Vanguard as example. It has tons of Shields and Health (1850 both with fitness) and Barrier absorbs a shit ton of damage and with the perk that restores 50% more Barrier after Biotic charge means that you are guaranteed to have full Barriers all the time if you have 200% power recharge.

    I play a Kroguard primarily for soloing and it rips things apart. I use the Disciple shotgun because it is light and have everything except Carnage maxed (full durability and power damage). I kill most small enemies on Silver with a single Biotic charge and have a AoE perk for the charge which is kinda handy.

    So Vanguards are one of the best classes for soloing because they are so durable. I enjoy the Geth Trooper too because the flamer is so amazing and the Trooper has a lot of shields too
    They're high risk in that you risk a lot by using your own shields to attack and mistakes can be deadly (whether in gameplay or in build), but the high reward comes in when it's played correctly (what you've described) . :P I've seen Kroguards get torn to shreds because they were played poorly.

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