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    http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/to...index/15972190 is a good thread that recaps most of the info from the live stream. It doesn't state that he can sync kill but I'm pretty sure the combat of him shows him doing just that. However if he can't sync kill he can at least grab phantoms (with full barriers) and pound on them.
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  2. #14022
    Quote Originally Posted by Moontalon View Post
    Except you have the choice not to trust him. I might agree with you if you were forced into being like "Well, maybe the Reapers really aren't that bad after all. Let's invite them for lunch and see how we get on."

    The one choice not to trust him, refuse, ends up being a middle finger to the entire fanbase who despises the endings.

  3. #14023
    Quote Originally Posted by leafs43 View Post
    The one choice not to trust him, refuse, ends up being a middle finger to the entire fanbase who despises the endings.
    I missed the part where they took out the option to continue through with the original plan and destroy the Reapers.

  4. #14024
    Quote Originally Posted by Moontalon View Post
    I missed the part where they took out the option to continue through with the original plan and destroy the Reapers.


    The destroy option requires you trusting the kid that it does exactly what it says it does.


    The same kid that indoctrinates millions of beings, alters entire species genetic codes to obey the reapers, has plans within plans to commit galactic wide genocides etc, etc etc...

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    Quote Originally Posted by leafs43 View Post
    The one choice not to trust him, refuse, ends up being a middle finger to the entire fanbase who despises the endings.
    The problem is with an attitude like that nothing Bioware could have done would be acceptable. In the end it is their story and not yours. You were able to influence that story to a degree with your choices but are still playing within their story. They brought it to a conclusion and there really aren't many good ways to end it.

    Would you rather have had the Crucible just blow everything up? Not activate? What? The endings aren't bad piled on top of bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    The problem is with an attitude like that nothing Bioware could have done would be acceptable. In the end it is their story and not yours.

    No it's the ending to the original deus ex that Bioware copied.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leafs43 View Post
    The destroy option requires you trusting the kid that it does exactly what it says it does. The same kid that indoctrinates millions of beings, alters entire species genetic codes to obey the reapers, has plans within plans to commit galactic wide genocides etc, etc etc...
    And the problem is? So you have to trust that something isn't lying to you. Why is that a bad thing in a story that there is a chance something could be lying? Besides after you pick the choice you find out that he wasn't lying because we see the effects of the choices. (More so with the Extended Cut DLC).

    No one ever said it would be an easy choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    And the problem is? So you have to trust that something isn't lying to you. Why is that a bad thing in a story that there is a chance something could be lying? Besides after you pick the choice you find out that he wasn't lying because we see the effects of the choices. (More so with the Extended Cut DLC).

    No one ever said it would be an easy choice.


    If you can't trust the leader of the reapers, who can you trust?

    Amirite?

  9. #14029
    Quote Originally Posted by leafs43 View Post
    The destroy option requires you trusting the kid that it does exactly what it says it does.


    The same kid that indoctrinates millions of beings, alters entire species genetic codes to obey the reapers, has plans within plans to commit galactic wide genocides etc, etc etc...
    The destroy option requires you trusting the Alliance and the work they've done on the Crucible. If you're seriously refusing a perfectly reasonable option because it HAPPENED to be presented to you by a newly introduced entity regardless of the fact it's what you've worked on for the entirety of the game, then I don't know what to tell you.

    Also, if you want to bring indoctrination into it, trust is no longer a factor.


    EDIT: I'm scared. I actually agree with Rhorle for once. XD
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    Quote Originally Posted by leafs43 View Post
    No it's the ending to the original deus ex that Bioware copied.
    If by copied you mean offered a choice of 4 endings then yes it was copied. The story behind those choices wasn't copied though and that is what really matters. Because you can bet that Dues Ex didn't originally invent multiple choice endings. And I know for a fact they didn't because choose your own adventure books have been around since before computers were even invented.

    And yes you were offered four endings (prior to the Extended cut DLC the refuse ending was simply doing nothing until the "mission failed" screen appeared.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moontalon View Post
    The destroy option requires you trusting the Alliance and the work they've done on the Crucible. If you're seriously refusing a perfectly reasonable option because it HAPPENED to be presented to you by a newly introduced entity regardless of the fact it's what you've worked on for the entirety of the game, then I don't know what to tell you.

    Also, if you want to bring indoctrination into it, trust is no longer a factor.

    Nobody in the alliance knows the destroy option exists. The alliance doesn't even know what the crucible does.

    It is told to you by the kid. So in order to make any choice, you are required to trust the kid, which is plain nonsense.

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    WoW so we went from MP DLC to ending discussion in about 5 minutes LOL

    So the Lancer:

    - It will be UR
    - It is the lightest UR weapon
    - It has more recoil than the M-8 Avenger, but does more damage
    - It was designed to be a caster AR

    Also it has a mechanic similar to the Collector weapons in terms of cool down and it has no ammo !!

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  13. #14033
    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    If by copied you mean offered a choice of 4 endings then yes it was copied. The story behind those choices wasn't copied though and that is what really matters. Because you can bet that Dues Ex didn't originally invent multiple choice endings. And I know for a fact they didn't because choose your own adventure books have been around since before computers were even invented.

    And yes you were offered four endings (prior to the Extended cut DLC the refuse ending was simply doing nothing until the "mission failed" screen appeared.

    lol...it is literally copied.


    Choices in ME3:

    1:Synthesis
    2: Control
    3: Destroy


    The choices in the original Deus Ex:

    1:Synthesis
    2: Control
    3: Destroy



    I'm not making this up. It's literally the exact same ending.

  14. #14034
    Quote Originally Posted by leafs43 View Post
    Nobody in the alliance knows the destroy option exists. The alliance doesn't even know what the crucible does.

    It is told to you by the kid. So in order to make any choice, you are required to trust the kid, which is plain nonsense.
    They did, however, know that the Crucible was what they were working to build. It's what they decided to hinge their fate on, long before the Starchild came into the picture.

    You realize that trusting in unknowns is not something that's new to the series? The beacon on Eden Prime, Sovereign, the rachni queen. Hell, the plans for the Crucible. There's a lot of examples of Shepard choosing to put stock in something that she didn't know the outcome of.

  15. #14035
    Quote Originally Posted by Moontalon View Post
    They did, however, know that the Crucible was what they were working to build.

    You realize that trusting in unknowns is not something that's new to the series? The beacon on Eden Prime, Sovereign, the rachni queen. Hell, the plans for the Crucible. There's a lot of examples of Shepard choosing to put stock in something that she didn't know the outcome of.
    Did you not pay attention at all?


    It is said multiple times throughout the game nobody, not even the protheans, know what the crucible does.

  16. #14036
    Quote Originally Posted by leafs43 View Post
    Did you not pay attention at all?


    It is said multiple times throughout the game nobody, not even the protheans, know what the crucible does.
    I did pay attention. I know they didn't know what it did. I also know that they decided to trust in it anyway, otherwise they wouldn't have poured their last months and resources into seeing it completed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leafs43 View Post
    Nobody in the alliance knows the destroy option exists. The alliance doesn't even know what the crucible does. It is told to you by the kid. So in order to make any choice, you are required to trust the kid, which is plain nonsense.
    So would you have rather you have to make blind choices? Having to trust an enemy is telling you the truth or not isn't nonsense. Its giving an element of uncertainty to your final choice. Making it more of a choice because you not only have to weigh the outcome of that choice you have to consider if it is the actual truth. Again nothing you bring up is actually bad story telling or indicative of a bad ending.

    You are already trusting the entire fate of the galaxy to blue prints that you found in an extinct races computer. Did you object to trusting those (and thus the entire story of ME3 and not just the endings)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    Having to trust an enemy is telling you the truth or not isn't nonsense.

    Repeat this to yourself 5 times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leafs43 View Post
    lol...it is literally copied.
    The three choices in Deus ex were:
    the destruction of technology (or just communication based technology) sending the world back to the dark ages. Mass Effect wasn't the destruction of all technology just the destruction of synthetic life (Self Aware AI).
    The merging of your consciousness with that of a AI where as in Mass Effect 3 it was merging synthetic and organic together for everyone in the galaxy.
    Running the world with the Illuminati where as in Mass Effect 3 it was taking control of the Reapers.

    There was nothing copied other then the fact that there were choices and both involved Technology.
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    OK I'm out of here Better farm some more credits for the DLC tomorrow than read this ending nonsense

    It´s not like the game is already 1 year old !! This ending stuff is old news ... seriously

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