Maybe that's simply how indoctrination works? I've never thought of it as full mind control, more of as a warping of the mind. Indoctrinated people can still be spoken to, and even reasoned with to a small degree, just look at Saren. Maybe indoctrination simply changes your perspective of things, by making you think that your actions are always in the right and will result in the greatest good. That's my theory anyway.
If Goku's power level increases at the same rate till the end of DBGT as it does till the end of the Frieza saga, as a SS4 Goku would have a PL of roughly 939 Quinoctogintillion. For reference that is a 260 digit number. A PL of 14,600 is required to destroy an earth sized planet. There are about 2 nonillion earths worth of mass in the universe. That means SS4 Goku can destroy the universe about 32 Octosexagintillion times over. There's a reason they made Goku a god at the end of GT.
Fulfilled what task? He's indoctrinated at that point - his only 'task' is to not stop them. Even in the Destroy ending, he would remain indoctrinated right up until it shows him waking up in London.
If you shoot him, the Illusive Man even mentions that he wishes you could see Earth as he does - 'perfect'. To me, that suggests they see pleasant imagery as a means of coercion.
Another thing i noticed is when Shep shoots Anderson on his left side, Shep then proceeds to hold his left side and bleeds quite a bit more. (as if in reality he shot him self)
The Sunstrike Legacy: Alexandrah, Alexandyr, Alkeos
"And if it ends with both of us dying in an explosion taking out a Reaper - remember I took the killshot." ~ Garrus Vakarian
And all this talk about indoctrination is really interesting and makes sense. Apparently accrding to the Final Hours app that that one video game dude made, the writers were actually happy with the endings they made and are meant to be taken at face value (ROFL). Another thing is they actually tried out having Shepard "lose control" of himself (being indoctrinated) but scrapped it because they couldn't get it to work as a gameplay mechanic. So all the framework is there, now all they need to do is use it. I think making amends with the fans is far more important than the writers pride at this point.
What actually made me close my Firefox window with some of the Final Hour stuff, was the moment, when they were seriously happy and meant to be taken at face value with their image of Tali.
I paraphrased that article for them. (Source: http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/to...ndex/9999272/1)We eventually decided that she gives you a memento of her pictures, but the team was throwing around a lot of pictures and designs until we decided on something and said "Yup, that's her".
That justification seriously made me consider inflicting catastrophic damage to my monitor.We eventually decided, we are too lazy to model her face properly and did not forward any assignment to our art directors and artists, so we ended up pirating a picture from gettyimages, photoshopped it like a 5 yr old and told us: "Yup, that's her. No way in the world that will come out and a shitstorm will build up, because of the suspense we worked so hard to create after hiding quarians behind their masks for 5 years."
True, but the difference is that in GTA3 you're only shooting (and robbing, murdering, having sex with, etc) pixels. In WOW you get the pleasure of dealing with some of the most despicable human behaviour you'll ever witness.
I thought it worked more like Shepard TAKING control, not losing it... you know, kinda exactly what TIM wanted to do, but wasn't able to. (As the catalyst even explicitly states)
So Shepard would sacrifice himself to act kinda like a virus infecting all Reapers and then kinda controlling them.. or at least telling them "Yo guys, you know that kill all Organics-thingy? Well, let's not do that anymore... let's go on a vacation into the dark space and not return!"... something like that.
So yeah, Control meaning "I take control!", kinda like Destroy means "I destroy!", not "I'll be destroyed!".
Edit: How to i make my text black so avoid spoilers?
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someone else might have gotten it wrong.
Well... i'm playing Mass Effect 1 again (another playthough) and was just reading up on some of the planets and found this little gem.
Coincidence?Klencory is a rock and ice planet with an atmosphere composed of chlorine and argon. The frozen surface is mainly composed of potassium with deposits of iron.
Klencory is famously claimed by the eccentric volus billionaire Kumun Shol. He claims that a vision of a higher being told him to seek on Klencory the "lost crypts of beings of light." These entities were supposedly created at the dawn of time to protect organic life from synthetic "machine devils."
Well, that's my second playthrough finished. I'm surprised I managed to spend pretty much the same amount of time on my second playthrough like I did on my first. I figured it would go faster this time round but appearently not. The losses still felt as horrible as ever. I still god damn hate Banshees and the big charging fellas. I still didn't manage to make TIM shoot himself eventhough I did my very best to achieve it this time. But it was pretty fun trying to spot the things that back up the indoctrination theory. Made the last part a lot more bearable. I tried to spot some of the stuff that was new to me and I hadn't picked up on the first time: Shepard holding her left side from the exact spot where she shoots Anderson. The biggest thing that I had missed was the Catalyst's voice: if you listen carefully you can pick up both male [B]AND[/B] female Shepard's voices blended in with the Catalyst's boyish voice. It was a bit freaky to actually hear them both if I turned my head slightly. But overall I gained nothing new from this playthrough. I already experienced the exact same ending because I played with an ME2 import save so I got all the nice little hints on both times. I did manage to get my EMS above 5k this time, I guess that counts for something. :P
btw, I just noticed ME1 and ME2 are both 50% ($10 each) off on Origin until March 19th.