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    Quote Originally Posted by Aveline View Post
    Check out the top Tweet:

    -twitter pic-

    Hurhurhur!

    EDIT: And I know it's a small comfort but hey, still something!
    That's pretty interesting actually. April 6th, bring it on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnthonyUK View Post
    None of thats happened yet.

    The (main)indoctrination theory( some have theorised it starts later after the ILM/anderson confrontation) means everything after the blinding flash of light when you were close to being hit by harbingers ray beam of death never happened, that was all in Shepards head from the getting up and slow motion shooting bit to the Very last scene of joker etc getting out of the normandy- is his head sorting through and resisting(or giving in) to the indoctrination process, the in head part ends and reality starts again in the "deep breath" pre rendered segment at the end of the "Perfect Destory" ending. As for when Reality establishes itself for the other 2 endings(synthesis and control), it doesnt because your under Harbys control.
    But why would the Reapers show Shepard the scene with the Normandy AFTER he has supposedly fullfilled his task and handed them civilzation on a silver platter? Because they're nice guys and wanted him to be all comfy in his final moments?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zao View Post
    But why would the Reapers show Shepard the scene with the Normandy AFTER he has supposedly fullfilled his task and handed them civilzation on a silver platter? Because they're nice guys and wanted him to be all comfy in his final moments?
    Maybe that's simply how indoctrination works? I've never thought of it as full mind control, more of as a warping of the mind. Indoctrinated people can still be spoken to, and even reasoned with to a small degree, just look at Saren. Maybe indoctrination simply changes your perspective of things, by making you think that your actions are always in the right and will result in the greatest good. That's my theory anyway.
    If Goku's power level increases at the same rate till the end of DBGT as it does till the end of the Frieza saga, as a SS4 Goku would have a PL of roughly 939 Quinoctogintillion. For reference that is a 260 digit number. A PL of 14,600 is required to destroy an earth sized planet. There are about 2 nonillion earths worth of mass in the universe. That means SS4 Goku can destroy the universe about 32 Octosexagintillion times over. There's a reason they made Goku a god at the end of GT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zao View Post
    But why would the Reapers show Shepard the scene with the Normandy AFTER he has supposedly fullfilled his task and handed them civilzation on a silver platter? Because they're nice guys and wanted him to be all comfy in his final moments?
    Fulfilled what task? He's indoctrinated at that point - his only 'task' is to not stop them. Even in the Destroy ending, he would remain indoctrinated right up until it shows him waking up in London.

    If you shoot him, the Illusive Man even mentions that he wishes you could see Earth as he does - 'perfect'. To me, that suggests they see pleasant imagery as a means of coercion.

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    Another thing i noticed is when Shep shoots Anderson on his left side, Shep then proceeds to hold his left side and bleeds quite a bit more. (as if in reality he shot him self)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toccs View Post
    Another thing i noticed is when Shep shoots Anderson on his left side, Shep then proceeds to hold his left side and bleeds quite a bit more. (as if in reality he shot him self)
    That's very interesting and not something I noticed till you brought it up. Here's hoping for the indoctrination theory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Toccs View Post
    Another thing i noticed is when Shep shoots Anderson on his left side, Shep then proceeds to hold his left side and bleeds quite a bit more. (as if in reality he shot him self)
    I actually didn't realise that little thing either before I watched the video someone linked a while ago about the indoctrination theory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aveline View Post
    Check out the top Tweet:

    <snip>

    Hurhurhur!

    EDIT: And I know it's a small comfort but hey, still something!
    Now the question is, are we talking Blizzard "Soon" or the actual meaning of Soon? :P

    And all this talk about indoctrination is really interesting and makes sense. Apparently accrding to the Final Hours app that that one video game dude made, the writers were actually happy with the endings they made and are meant to be taken at face value (ROFL). Another thing is they actually tried out having Shepard "lose control" of himself (being indoctrinated) but scrapped it because they couldn't get it to work as a gameplay mechanic. So all the framework is there, now all they need to do is use it. I think making amends with the fans is far more important than the writers pride at this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by varren View Post
    Now the question is, are we talking Blizzard "Soon" or the actual meaning of Soon? :P

    And all this talk about indoctrination is really interesting and makes sense. Apparently accrding to the Final Hours app that that one video game dude made, the writers were actually happy with the endings they made and are meant to be taken at face value (ROFL). Another thing is they actually tried out having Shepard "lose control" of himself (being indoctrinated) but scrapped it because they couldn't get it to work as a gameplay mechanic. So all the framework is there, now all they need to do is use it. I think making amends with the fans is far more important than the writers pride at this point.
    As someone else already pointed out in this thread, they only removed the gameplay element from the game. The effects of indoctrination on the ending have not been scrapped, at least that can be inferred, and honestly, we have all just been waiting for Shepard to be indoctrinated. After all, he spent so much among Reapers and their artifacts, it would be about time, no matter how crazy his willpower is. Highfunctioning cases of indoctrination have been present before, like Saren.

    What actually made me close my Firefox window with some of the Final Hour stuff, was the moment, when they were seriously happy and meant to be taken at face value with their image of Tali.
    We eventually decided that she gives you a memento of her pictures, but the team was throwing around a lot of pictures and designs until we decided on something and said "Yup, that's her".
    I paraphrased that article for them. (Source: http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/to...ndex/9999272/1)

    We eventually decided, we are too lazy to model her face properly and did not forward any assignment to our art directors and artists, so we ended up pirating a picture from gettyimages, photoshopped it like a 5 yr old and told us: "Yup, that's her. No way in the world that will come out and a shitstorm will build up, because of the suspense we worked so hard to create after hiding quarians behind their masks for 5 years."
    That justification seriously made me consider inflicting catastrophic damage to my monitor.
    True, but the difference is that in GTA3 you're only shooting (and robbing, murdering, having sex with, etc) pixels. In WOW you get the pleasure of dealing with some of the most despicable human behaviour you'll ever witness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flextt View Post
    As someone else already pointed out in this thread, they only removed the gameplay element from the game. The effects of indoctrination on the ending have not been scrapped, at least that can be inferred, and honestly, we have all just been waiting for Shepard to be indoctrinated. After all, he spent so much among Reapers and their artifacts, it would be about time, no matter how crazy his willpower is. Highfunctioning cases of indoctrination have been present before, like Saren.

    What actually made me close my Firefox window with some of the Final Hour stuff, was the moment, when they were seriously happy and meant to be taken at face value with their image of Tali.


    I paraphrased that article for them. (Source: http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/to...ndex/9999272/1)



    That justification seriously made me consider inflicting catastrophic damage to my monitor.
    I am not a big fan of Tali at all but even I thought her face reveal was lazy and unfair to the fans. Easily the worst thing they did outside of the ending.

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    Quote Originally Posted by varren View Post
    I am not a big fan of Tali at all but even I thought her face reveal was lazy and unfair to the fans. Easily the worst thing they did outside of the ending.
    I've always loved Tali, and I'm okay with how it was done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bornams View Post
    I was reading the indoctrination theory and one thing didnt make sense, if you choose control which in the theory means shepard surrendered to harbinger and lost became fully indoctrinated why did the reapres leave earth? Why not just wtfpwn the whole galaxy since there is no more threat to them?
    Huh... you sure it's meant to be that way?
    I thought it worked more like Shepard TAKING control, not losing it... you know, kinda exactly what TIM wanted to do, but wasn't able to. (As the catalyst even explicitly states)
    So Shepard would sacrifice himself to act kinda like a virus infecting all Reapers and then kinda controlling them.. or at least telling them "Yo guys, you know that kill all Organics-thingy? Well, let's not do that anymore... let's go on a vacation into the dark space and not return!"... something like that.
    So yeah, Control meaning "I take control!", kinda like Destroy means "I destroy!", not "I'll be destroyed!".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nerraw View Post
    I've always loved Tali, and I'm okay with how it was done.
    I'm with Nerraw on this one. While I also got the impression that they were just too lazy to include a model of her face, I still liked the reveal especially since I didn't expect it after the questline involving the Quarians didn't reveal her face.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaDimi View Post
    Huh... you sure it's meant to be that way?
    I thought it worked more like Shepard TAKING control, not losing it... you know, kinda exactly what TIM wanted to do, but wasn't able to. (As the catalyst even explicitly states)
    So Shepard would sacrifice himself to act kinda like a virus infecting all Reapers and then kinda controlling them.. or at least telling them "Yo guys, you know that kill all Organics-thingy? Well, let's not do that anymore... let's go on a vacation into the dark space and not return!"... something like that.
    So yeah, Control meaning "I take control!", kinda like Destroy means "I destroy!", not "I'll be destroyed!".
    According to the indoctrination theory when you take control its actually reapers finally taking control over you, it said that in the vid you can see the kid in one frame when shepard is taking control but when he goes right and destorys it the kids insta vanishes as if the indoctrination is gone.

    Edit: How to i make my text black so avoid spoilers?
    Last edited by Bornams; 2012-03-16 at 09:41 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aveline View Post
    [ spoiler] TEXT HERE [ /spoiler]

    Just remove the spaces after [-mark.
    Yay for quoting my own post!

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    any1 that has mass effect 3 for xbox 360 wants to team up for this weekends n7 challenge can add my gamertag tigs90
    someone else might have gotten it wrong.

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    Well... i'm playing Mass Effect 1 again (another playthough) and was just reading up on some of the planets and found this little gem.

    Klencory is a rock and ice planet with an atmosphere composed of chlorine and argon. The frozen surface is mainly composed of potassium with deposits of iron.

    Klencory is famously claimed by the eccentric volus billionaire Kumun Shol. He claims that a vision of a higher being told him to seek on Klencory the "lost crypts of beings of light." These entities were supposedly created at the dawn of time to protect organic life from synthetic "machine devils."
    Coincidence?

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    Well, that's my second playthrough finished. I'm surprised I managed to spend pretty much the same amount of time on my second playthrough like I did on my first. I figured it would go faster this time round but appearently not. The losses still felt as horrible as ever. I still god damn hate Banshees and the big charging fellas. I still didn't manage to make TIM shoot himself eventhough I did my very best to achieve it this time. But it was pretty fun trying to spot the things that back up the indoctrination theory. Made the last part a lot more bearable. I tried to spot some of the stuff that was new to me and I hadn't picked up on the first time: Shepard holding her left side from the exact spot where she shoots Anderson. The biggest thing that I had missed was the Catalyst's voice: if you listen carefully you can pick up both male [B]AND[/B] female Shepard's voices blended in with the Catalyst's boyish voice. It was a bit freaky to actually hear them both if I turned my head slightly. But overall I gained nothing new from this playthrough. I already experienced the exact same ending because I played with an ME2 import save so I got all the nice little hints on both times. I did manage to get my EMS above 5k this time, I guess that counts for something. :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toccs View Post
    Well... i'm playing Mass Effect 1 again (another playthough) and was just reading up on some of the planets and found this little gem.



    Coincidence?
    That planet is in ME3 as well. It has a funny comment on the end about all his mercenaries being ignored for now but likely to just be vaproized by the Reapers from space :P.
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    btw, I just noticed ME1 and ME2 are both 50% ($10 each) off on Origin until March 19th.

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