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    If a racist stops being racist and is not racist for thirty years, are we going to still consider them inadequate for office because of it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grokan View Post
    If a racist stops being racist and is not racist for thirty years, are we going to still consider them inadequate for office because of it?
    I doubt I would, but that would depend on if they've actually changed their ways or if they're simply not expressing it anymore. Everyone has bias in some way, shape or form, it's very natural for humans to do so. But it really depends on how you express that and act upon it. I mean I would probably regard someone more favorably who admitted to having bigoted thoughts and actively worked on controlling them than someone who claimed they'd never thought a bigoted thought in their life.
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    I think that's reasonable. Though, I have never seen anything about Mittens being racist, so I can't say that he is now or that we need to look into it. It just seems like a non-issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grokan View Post
    I think that's reasonable. Though, I have never seen anything about Mittens being racist, so I can't say that he is now or that we need to look into it. It just seems like a non-issue.
    That's my opinion on it. He either holds his tongue on his thoughts well enough for me to feel that he's in control of what he thinks, or he doesn't think those thoughts often enough to matter. Either way, non-issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smrund View Post
    That's my opinion on it. He either holds his tongue on his thoughts well enough for me to feel that he's in control of what he thinks, or he doesn't think those thoughts often enough to matter. Either way, non-issue.
    Or he goes along with things he does not believe in and just does what he is told. Or he is a racist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by obdigore View Post
    Or he goes along with things he does not believe in and just does what he is told. Or he is a racist.
    Unless you can prove it, it's not an issue.

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    I don't see Mitt's religion as being a big deal. I'm surprised it hasn't been brought up more since it is a pretty crazy religion. All religion takes a leap of faith, but some leaps are off the top of a house and some are from the grand canyon. Mormonism is from the top of freaking Everest if you can close your eyes and honestly be okay with one guy reading your religious text off gold tablets only he ever saw. But hey as long as it doesn't influence his decisions anymore than the GOP already bases their entire plan on the Bible, who cares. That reminds me, Ryan essentially said in the debate he has no issue forcing his religious beliefs on others through abortion regulation.

    Mormonism used to be racist but now has plenty of black members. I'm not going to fault the guy for the decisions of his religion decades ago. I'd rather fault the guy for constantly changing positions, his absolute blatant refusal to give a single example of a deduction or loophole being closed to somehow balance out his 20% tax cut, his support for abortion legislation, etc. You know, decisions that matter right now, not ones from the 70s.

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    Right. There are more legitimate issues concerning Mittens other than his religion. Bringing it up, I feel, dilutes the actual issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grokan View Post
    I think that's reasonable. Though, I have never seen anything about Mittens being racist, so I can't say that he is now or that we need to look into it. It just seems like a non-issue.
    I think the reason you've never seen anything about it is because no one in the media will say boo about his religion. For some bizarre reason, it's completely off limits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by conscript View Post
    I'm not going to fault the guy for the decisions of his religion decades ago.
    Why not? People choose their religions, and Romney wasn't a passive participant, he was very active in the church. If someone's part of an active racist institution, enthusiastically endorses it, recruits others, and gives money, I think it's at least fair to ask them their position on the church's stances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectral View Post
    Why not? People choose their religions...
    I'd be asking questions if he hadn't been raised as a mormon. But he was. So I don't care about his particular religion.

    I'm more concerned about the essentially religious-based planks in the Republican platform.
    Potato.

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    Quote Originally Posted by belfpala View Post
    I'd be asking questions if he hadn't been raised as a mormon. But he was. So I don't care about his particular religion.
    I don't think, "I believe the things I was told as a child" is actually a great explanation. His feet should be held to the fire if that's all he's got to defend LDS racism.

    Quote Originally Posted by belfpala View Post
    I'm more concerned about the essentially religious-based planks in the Republican platform.
    Of course, but we can walk and chew bubble gum at the same time. Both are problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectral View Post
    I don't think, "I believe the things I was told as a child" is actually a great explanation. His feet should be held to the fire if that's all he's got to defend LDS racism.
    I don't think bringing LDS into it is a great idea. Perhaps just asking "to what extent do you/did you believe in certain stances LDS used to take" is fine. But that will be spun as Obama playing the race card. So maybe still not a good idea.
    Potato.

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    I'm referring to what I think press coverage should be, not campaign tactics for Obama. Depressingly, Obama remotely questioning LDS in any way would absolutely hurt him in the election.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectral View Post
    I'm referring to what I think press coverage should be, not campaign tactics for Obama. Depressingly, Obama remotely questioning LDS in any way would absolutely hurt him in the election.
    I just find it funny that Obama doesn't touch Romney's religion even though FOX News constantly refers to him as a radical socialist Muslim.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectral View Post
    Depressingly, Obama remotely questioning LDS in any way would absolutely hurt him in the election.
    He gets attacked for a religion he doesn't even have...

    Ugh. Politics make me sick sometimes.
    Potato.

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    I'm not saying the questions about Obama's religion are valid, either.

    And Spectral, that was over 30 years ago. People change. It's not an issue anymore.

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    When someone's never really been asked about it, we have no idea what their stance on it was or is. I mean, I know Romney's happy to lie and disavow that he was ever OK with racism, but someone in the press should at least mention that he was an active participant in a deeply racist organization.

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    Quote Originally Posted by belfpala View Post
    I don't think bringing LDS into it is a great idea. Perhaps just asking "to what extent do you/did you believe in certain stances LDS used to take" is fine. But that will be spun as Obama playing the race card. So maybe still not a good idea.
    I think the only thing that should be brought up about the LDS is campaign contributions from LDS bigwigs through 100% fake companies. ELI PUBLISHING INC and F8 LLC both made massive contributions to the Romney Super PAC Restore Our Future. Both of those companies share an address, have zero history of doing any business at all, and are completely shell companies. Eli Publishing is owned by an LDS bigwig who I believe owns a perfume company. F8 LLC is owned by his son in law. Those are two of literally dozens of fake companies established for the sole purpose of hiding who is donating to Mitt Romney supporting PACs and at least a handful of those are controlled by major, major players in the LDS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectral View Post
    but someone in the press should at least mention that he was an active participant in a deeply racist organization.
    Should they also mention that Paul Ryan and Joe Biden both belong to an organization that harbored child molestors?

    No? Didn't think so.
    Potato.

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    Quote Originally Posted by belfpala View Post
    Should they also mention that Paul Ryan and Joe Biden both belong to an organization that harbored child molestors?

    No? Didn't think so.
    Well, according to the VP debate there is only one of them that doesn't want to force his beliefs on us.
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