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    Quote Originally Posted by Titheon View Post
    Presidential elections would be more accurate if we went back to the previous stipulation of people with real property (land) or sufficient wealth for taxation were permitted to vote.
    I don't know what "more accurate" in this context means. Do you mean that you think they'd match what you'd personally like to happen?

    The problem with restricting who can vote is there's no unbiased way to do so. Leave it up to me, and I'll say, "fuck it, no one without a doctorate can vote".

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    Former presidential candidate Rick Santorum says, "You can kill things and still like them."

    The Pennsylvania Republican made the suggestion in defining his stance on the idea of pulling funding from PBS during an appearance on CNN on Thursday night.

    "I've voted to kill Big Bird in the past," he said when asked about his position on the issue. "So, I have a record there that I have to disclose. That doesn't mean I don’t like Big Bird. I mean, you can kill things and still like them, maybe to eat them, I don’t know.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...=Entertainment

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    Posting this for someone in this thread. I forgot the name.

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    How come the Household Survey reported a ridiculous surge of 873,000 jobs (biggest jump since 2003) while the Non-Farm Payroll (Establishment number) added only 114,000 jobs?

    Answer: The number of part-time people employed for economic reasons soared by 582,000 (largest one month jump since Feb 2009)

    The unemployment rate is calculated based on the Household survey by the way, which includes the part-time people employed for economic reasons, not based on the NFP. So while this makes a good headline number for those who don't understand these stats, the reality is that the jobs report was quite poor. The amount of people who are unemployed and underemployed has actually increased to 26.2 million from 25.8 million in august.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Diurdi View Post
    How come the Household Survey reported a ridiculous surge of 873,000 jobs (biggest jump since 2003) while the Non-Farm Payroll (Establishment number) added only 114,000 jobs?

    Answer: The number of part-time people employed for economic reasons soared by 582,000 (largest one month jump since Feb 2009)

    The unemployment rate is calculated based on the Household survey by the way, which includes the part-time people employed for economic reasons, not based on the NFP. So while this makes a good headline number for those who don't understand these stats, the reality is that the jobs report was quite poor. The amount of people who are unemployed and underemployed has actually increased to 26.2 million from 25.8 million in august.
    Structural unemployment and baby boomers say hello.

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    Unemployment Rate drops below 8%. Can't be good for Romney, regardless of the veracity of the calculation.
    The less you know, the more you believe.


    Actually, Mr. Lennon, I CAN imagine a world with no hate, religion, war, or violence.
    I can also imagine attacking such a world, because they would never see it coming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diurdi View Post
    So while this makes a good headline number for those who don't understand these stats, the reality is that the jobs report was quite poor.
    The issue is that people won't read past the headline.

    Much like people won't research past what Romney said during the debate.

    Whether it's a lazy, stupid, time constrained, or disinterested issue -- there are a significantly large number of people who operate though headlines and bumper stickers and that's all the info they take in to make their decisions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    Unemployment Rate drops below 8%. Can't be good for Romney, regardless of the veracity of the calculation.
    They were blaming Obama winning projections leading upto last election, on the falling stock market. Watch someone spin the job numbers with positive results from the debate in favor of Romney.e

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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya420 View Post
    They were blaming Obama winning projections leading upto last election, on the falling stock market. Watch someone spin the job numbers with positive results from the debate in favor of Romney.e
    Lol, I wouldn't be surprised at all.
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    Actually, Mr. Lennon, I CAN imagine a world with no hate, religion, war, or violence.
    I can also imagine attacking such a world, because they would never see it coming.

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    It comes from a couple areas. 1. Obama himself (or his campaign) and 2. Obama supporters.

    In the first case, Obama has a serious ego complex. They set up stages to present him like he's in a Greek Amphitheatre. In tons of his speeches they set the mic to have tons of reverb even when he's in tiny venues so he always sounds like he's thundering from above. Disagree if you want, but this video of his post-election speech shows he's got a really inflated opinion of himself. In his brain - before he came along sick people never got better. In his brain, he really was going to heal the planet, drop the ocean levels, yadda yadda yadda. The man really is an arrogant toerag.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0tuAJkbUWU

    And then there what are called "Obama Zombies". A lot of them can be found just clicking around these very threads. To an Obama Zombie the man can simply do no wrong. No matter how blatant his lies are, they forgive them. No matter how inaccurate he is, they make excuses for it. No matter how badly he does, how much he screws up, or how inept Obama is on any particular subject they just keep licking up his puke and calling it nectar.

    Now, that's just what partisan ideologues do on both sides so it is nothing new. But with Obama it has really gone to levels that are patently absurd. People like the "Obama Stash" woman, or the "Obama phone" kook - people that are just going around worshiping the man for no good reason - thinking that he's giving them money personally from his own stash. Crap like that.

    So people who see Obama for what he really is can't help but mock this ridiculous Messiah-like complex that so many people are desperately tryint ot construct around him. Because - in the objective analysis - Obama is a small, petty, arrogant, mediocre twit of a man whose only real accomplishment to date is cramming an unconstitutional health care law through congress against the will of majority of Americans because he knows better than them (yet another example of his arrogance).
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  11. #10011
    Part time hiring going into the holiday season happens every year...
    The most successful tyranny is not the one that uses force to assure uniformity but the one that removes the awareness of other possibilities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oblivionx View Post
    Part time hiring going into the holiday season happens every year...
    These numbers are seasonally adjusted, so it has spread out the seasonal impacts over the whole year. Ofcourse you can argue that the seasonal adjustment is fucked up, which is certainly possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Riddler View Post
    It comes from a couple areas. 1. Obama himself (or his campaign) and 2. Obama supporters.

    In the first case, Obama has a serious ego complex. They set up stages to present him like he's in a Greek Amphitheatre. In tons of his speeches they set the mic to have tons of reverb even when he's in tiny venues so he always sounds like he's thundering from above. Disagree if you want, but this video of his post-election speech shows he's got a really inflated opinion of himself. In his brain - before he came along sick people never got better. In his brain, he really was going to heal the planet, drop the ocean levels, yadda yadda yadda. The man really is an arrogant toerag.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0tuAJkbUWU

    And then there what are called "Obama Zombies". A lot of them can be found just clicking around these very threads. To an Obama Zombie the man can simply do no wrong. No matter how blatant his lies are, they forgive them. No matter how inaccurate he is, they make excuses for it. No matter how badly he does, how much he screws up, or how inept Obama is on any particular subject they just keep licking up his puke and calling it nectar.

    Now, that's just what partisan ideologues do on both sides so it is nothing new. But with Obama it has really gone to levels that are patently absurd. People like the "Obama Stash" woman, or the "Obama phone" kook - people that are just going around worshiping the man for no good reason - thinking that he's giving them money personally from his own stash. Crap like that.

    So people who see Obama for what he really is can't help but mock this ridiculous Messiah-like complex that so many people are desperately tryint ot construct around him. Because - in the objective analysis - Obama is a small, petty, arrogant, mediocre twit of a man whose only real accomplishment to date is cramming an unconstitutional health care law through congress against the will of majority of Americans because he knows better than them (yet another example of his arrogance).
    It's kind of sad to see people put up a youtube video to "prove" a point they're trying to make. Youtube can prove anything, any time you want. It makes your argument weaker, every time.

    Plus, again, your view on Obama is a little nutty. He's brilliant and a leader, with a good vision for the country. If the GOP can get the hell out of the way, or better yet, help out and stop obstructing growth in jobs, we could start to fix the real problems.
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    Actually, Mr. Lennon, I CAN imagine a world with no hate, religion, war, or violence.
    I can also imagine attacking such a world, because they would never see it coming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oblivionx View Post
    Part time hiring going into the holiday season happens every year...
    Can you show that the bump is in line with past years?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grokan View Post
    Can you show that the bump is in line with past years?
    It's seasonally adjusted, these bumps are evened out throughout the year with software.
    Last edited by Diurdi; 2012-10-05 at 04:16 PM.

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    I'm asking him to elaborate. I already know your explanation, Diurdi.

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    I was going to respond to Riddler's post, but the "need new word for rhetoric" was dialed to 11 and it made my head hurt. Plus it was basically one long personal attack on a guy he's never met...which says something.

    As it was stated before -- the whole star struck thing happens (for reasons I'll never understand) around any famous person with any semblance of charisma. You can hate Obama all you want, but you have to still acknowledge the guy is very charismatic. As was Reagan. As was Clinton. As are many hollywood celebrities. Doesn't mean jack squat about their abilities or intelligence other than that they know how to work a crowd.

    You'd see the exact same thing with Romney if he had the same level of charisma. But he doesn't -- so you don't see the same sort of fandom as you do around Obama.

    It's way more about human and societal psychology than anything else.

    Hrm...guess I did respond to his post after all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    It's kind of sad to see people put up a youtube video to "prove" a point they're trying to make. Youtube can prove anything, any time you want. It makes
    your argument weaker, every time.

    Plus, again, your view on Obama is a little nutty. He's brilliant and a leader, with a good vision for the country. If the GOP can get the hell out of the way, or better yet, help out and stop obstructing growth in jobs, we could start to fix the real problems.

    No. I cannot morally support a candidate who bombs children and their families, kills Americans without charge or trial, detains Americans without charge or trial indefinitely, gives handouts to corporations and banks instead of the middle class, and continues warrantless spying on citizens. Congress can't be blamed for that.

    If you want to vote for the lesser of two evil, I get it. Just realize he's a piece of trash.
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  19. #10019
    Quote Originally Posted by Grokan View Post
    I'm asking him to elaborate. I already know your explanation, Diurdi.
    At best it's worthless jobs, at worst it's just manipulation of the numbers by this corrupt administration.

    It's probably both.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GreatOak View Post
    No. I cannot morally support a candidate who bombs children and their families, kills Americans without charge or trial, detains Americans without charge or trial indefinitely, gives handouts to corporations and banks instead of the middle class, and continues warrantless spying on citizens. Congress can't be blamed for that.
    The question ends up if you think it would be better under Romney -- which when it comes to military matters it seems unlikely at best.

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