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    I'm with Colbert on this one.

    http://www.colbertnation.com/the-col...gate-questions

    This morning was actually the first time in weeks that I've checked on Fox and they were talking about something other than how the President failed to save the Americans in Benghazi (they mentioned Sandy, then went back to Libya). Shit happens. The government doesn't tell the public everything it wants to know, I learned that a while ago. If you want to actually be journalists and investigate, Fox, do so; but a thousand hours straight of "What isn't Obama telling us?" is only useful as political manipulation. It's pretty transparent, especially if you remember the allowances the right granted to national security issues and intelligence failings prior to 2009.

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    I personally am able to ask "who, what, where, when, why, and how" about a tragic event without a political motive behind the questions. I'm with Kalyyn, actually. I'd like to know more about what happened and why certain decisions were made. In the absence of information, I'm left to speculate. And my speculations represent my bias... perhaps taking action would have revealed some CIA operations, or perhaps they didn't want to send troops into an uncertain situation and risk losing them as well, etc. Those are the kinds of decisions commanders have to make.

    Let's all ride the Gish gallop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mnevis View Post
    I'm with Colbert on this one.

    http://www.colbertnation.com/the-col...gate-questions

    This morning was actually the first time in weeks that I've checked on Fox and they were talking about something other than how the President failed to save the Americans in Benghazi (they mentioned Sandy, then went back to Libya). Shit happens. The government doesn't tell the public everything it wants to know, I learned that a while ago. If you want to actually be journalists and investigate, Fox, do so; but a thousand hours straight of "What isn't Obama telling us?" is only useful as political manipulation. It's pretty transparent, especially if you remember the allowances the right granted to national security issues and intelligence failings prior to 2009.
    Why didn't we take military action and why did two Navy Seals feel it necessary to disobey orders and attempt to protect US soil until their deaths? As far as CNN and MSNBC know, those two Navy Seals didn't even exist. Why the mainstream media blackout?

    Since you appear to hate Fox, here are some other real journalists that have been covering it.

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...ened-benghazi/
    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/expl...p-were-denied/
    http://www.examiner.com/article/as-b...ratings-plunge
    http://frontpagemag.com/2012/dgreenf...nsulate-video/
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...89N02C20121024

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    Quote Originally Posted by belfpala View Post
    I personally am able to ask "who, what, where, when, why, and how" about a tragic event without a political motive behind the questions. I'm with Kalyyn, actually. I'd like to know more about what happened and why certain decisions were made. In the absence of information, I'm left to speculate. And my speculations represent my bias... perhaps taking action would have revealed some CIA operations, or perhaps they didn't want to send troops into an uncertain situation and risk losing them as well, etc. Those are the kinds of decisions commanders have to make.
    Than we have to agree to disagree. I agree with Colbert's comments about asking questions like if Obama is willing to let people die or the specific example Colbert used that echoed in Kalyyn's reply of questioning if he sacrificed these people for greater good. We have the answers to 'who, what, where and why', we don't have answers to baseless speculation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hx9 View Post
    Why didn't we take military action and why did two Navy Seals feel it necessary to disobey orders and attempt to protect US soil until their deaths? As far as CNN and MSNBC know, those two Navy Seals didn't even exist. Why the mainstream media blackout?

    Since you appear to hate Fox, here are some other real journalists that have been covering it.

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...ened-benghazi/
    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/expl...p-were-denied/
    http://www.examiner.com/article/as-b...ratings-plunge
    http://frontpagemag.com/2012/dgreenf...nsulate-video/
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...89N02C20121024
    Just a heads up, 3 of the 5 use fox news as a source...

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    Than we have to agree to disagree.
    That's fine. You'll note you don't hear me complaining about Obama's response. I understand that sometimes it's not good for all of the information to be public (for many reasons, such as operational security). I also understand that sometimes commanders have to make tough decisions, such as letting a few people die rather than potentially risking many more people dying.

    Let's all ride the Gish gallop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hx9 View Post
    Why didn't we take military action and why did two Navy Seals feel it necessary to disobey orders and attempt to protect US soil until their deaths? As far as CNN and MSNBC know, those two Navy Seals didn't even exist. Why the mainstream media blackout?

    Since you appear to hate Fox, here are some other real journalists that have been covering it.

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...ened-benghazi/
    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/expl...p-were-denied/
    http://www.examiner.com/article/as-b...ratings-plunge
    http://frontpagemag.com/2012/dgreenf...nsulate-video/
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...89N02C20121024
    The only one of those sources I would consider "real journalists" is the Reuters article, which was only talking about the initial emails.
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    Quote Originally Posted by belfpala View Post
    I also understand that sometimes commanders have to make tough decisions, such as letting a few people die rather than potentially risking many more people dying.
    See, I'm with Colbert, where he associated fox news making that claim with asking what exectly Obama was doing on 9/11.

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    UnskewedPolls honestly has Romney taking virtually every swing state? Even with recent dips for Obama, I find that somewhat unlikely.

    On the Benghazi links provided, the majority of them are clearly opinion pieces from arm-chair critics. The only one that's not is the Reuters, and it provides little new information except that there was an e-mail citing Ansar al-Sharia claiming credit for the attack, claims of credit that nobody can seem to track down and link directly.

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    oh you pesky primaries lol

    If Ryans budget had passed FEMA would be 41% broker right now and not able to give aid to the NorthEast

    http://news.yahoo.com/politics-fema-...XBhZ2U-;_ylv=3

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    Quote Originally Posted by belfpala View Post
    That's fine. You'll note you don't hear me complaining about Obama's response. I understand that sometimes it's not good for all of the information to be public (for many reasons, such as operational security). I also understand that sometimes commanders have to make tough decisions, such as letting a few people die rather than potentially risking many more people dying.
    totally this. loose lips sink ships and all. my personal opinion at the moment - mistakes were made, fuck ups were had. and some of the official information is classified for any number of reasons (national security, endangering agents/assets, political repercussions on the international level, etc). it's possible it's my bias showing, i just dont see ANY president letting people die for its own sake

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrysia View Post
    UnskewedPolls
    Any poll that is named that is anything but...

    EDIT -- Oh my god..the more I read in that site the more hilarious it gets! Are you sure that isn't a parody site?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lenonis View Post
    Any poll that is named that is anything but...

    EDIT -- Oh my god..the more I read in that site the more hilarious it gets! Are you sure that isn't a parody site?
    My favorite part is that none of the states lean. They're either hardcore for Obama or hardcore for Romney.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrysia View Post
    My favorite part is that none of the states lean. They're either hardcore for Obama or hardcore for Romney.
    According to that site, Romney will win, Republicans will win a healthy majority in the senate, and a huge lead in the house. They will have a historic number of GOP governors. It's...like the textbook definition of confirmation bias. Any poll that doesn't show GOP majority is declared skewed, and any poll that does is accepted as valid. How ridiculous.
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    Today, my father, a Romney supporter, called and informed me that Romney was leading in every poll released in Ohio today. I checked, and he was correct; however, the only one was Rasmussen. When I informed him of this, he said he must have misheard and that there were others from previous days. Upon checking, I found that this was the first poll of any sort that Romney had led there in awhile. I was then informed that most polls are push polls anyway, and that Romney's surely going to win not just Ohio, but Wisconsin as well.

    I have a feeling there's going to be a lot of folks like him that are in stunned shocked next week. I don't really take any pleasure in this, I find it rather depressing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectral View Post
    I don't really take any pleasure in this
    I do. I have a list, both on here and outside the interwebz, of people that will get a rousing "I told you so."

    It's significant to note that I have always asserted that there is a chance Romney could win. Still time for crazy things to happen, and there is always weird election day surprises with turnout and such.

    But out of my republican friends only 1 has given any similar "Well Obama might win" comment. Every single one of them has stated that Romney will win no ifs ands or buts about it.

    So, I will take great pleasure in the I told you so game.

    Much like I enjoyed it when Ron Paul did not get the GOP nomination. So much enjoyment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lenonis View Post
    It's significant to note that I have always asserted that there is a chance Romney could win. Still time for crazy things to happen, and there is always weird election day surprises with turnout and such.
    Indeed, I've always stated that I think this will be a fairly close election. As it draws nearer, I think the popular vote is something very close to a complete tossup and that the electoral vote isn't sealed at all; however, it's objectively more likely that Obama will win. People asserting that Romney will win 300 or more electoral votes, win Ohio by 5 points, and other such things seem to be living in an alternate universe to what I'm experiencing.

    But out of my republican friends only 1 has given any similar "Well Obama might win" comment. Every single one of them has stated that Romney will win no ifs ands or buts about it.

    So, I will take great pleasure in the I told you so game.
    I normally would feel the same, but I feel just sort of weirdly sympathetic towards people that are experiencing such delusions. It seems to me that they'll experience some genuinely awful feelings.

    Much like I enjoyed it when Ron Paul did not get the GOP nomination. So much enjoyment.
    Fuck those people. That's a whole level of stupid above anything I've seen with Romney.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lenonis View Post
    I do. I have a list, both on here and outside the interwebz, of people that will get a rousing "I told you so."
    might be more enjoyable for me if some of mine werent convinced that an obama victory would mean civil war. goddamn i know some knuckleheads

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    Quote Originally Posted by smelltheglove View Post
    might be more enjoyable for me if some of mine werent convinced that an obama victory would mean civil war. goddamn i know some knuckleheads
    Fortunately no one I know of is that bad. The worst was when someone said he thought there might be riots, and when I asked him what he meant by that he thought a few people might go bonkers and throw some chairs. That's a pretty tame riot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smelltheglove View Post
    might be more enjoyable for me if some of mine werent convinced that an obama victory would mean civil war. goddamn i know some knuckleheads
    I think this is why I don't find it fun. The people that I know that are absolutely convinced Romney will win seem to have convinced themselves of it because they're legitimately terrified of Obama winning. This stopped being funny and started being sad to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smelltheglove View Post
    might be more enjoyable for me if some of mine werent convinced that an obama victory would mean civil war. goddamn i know some knuckleheads
    Unfortunately, both sides of the spectrum have these idiots. They won't listen to argument or reason, they just stick their fingers in their ears.

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