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    Quote Originally Posted by Wells View Post
    The best part about this guy is when he says "I will even give a soures you cant claim to being a right wing" you know the opposite is literally impossible since he described The Economist as a socialist magazine.
    What source all you posted was some opinion page from the Boston Globe a liberal rag i grave you the exact excerpt from the book with a source that there is no way you could claim to be right wing
    you are a liar with your statement "Boehner flat refused any tax increases" you didn't read the book and all you was doing is referring to some liberal rag opinion page
    I refuse to debate a liar so this conversation is over unless you admit your lie

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    I worry tremendously that I have been deceived all along. That Obama and Romney are cut from the same cloth. I'd like to withdraw my support for Romney, but I have already built up a castle around his candidacy. No use tearing it down now. Forgive me if his presidency wipes us all out, I certainly don't favor Obama.

    I will still vote for Romney for the reason stated above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Puremallace View Post
    Found this new video
    That's absofuckinglutely makes him seem like a crazy man. What in the fucking fuck are people like that doing in charge of the country?

    ---------- Post added 2012-11-02 at 09:31 PM ----------

    I wonder who read the book. It could be either Wells, who comes off as one of the more informed, well read, intelligent people on the board... or it could be the guy who seems to have broken every puncuation key on his keyboard. Hmmm... which one will I believe? Hard choices!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dacien View Post
    I will still vote for Romney for the reason stated above.
    You saw that video though, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chonogo View Post
    EDIT - Before I get raked over the coals, I better point out that these are simply my opinions, and not an argument whatsoever.
    You said something semi-positive about Mittens Romeny. Prepare to be raked regardless.

    I'm with you on this, though. I really don't care which one wins. No president has managed to destroy the country yet. I doubt Obama or Romney are somehow going to be special. I'd probably pay lower taxes with Romney. Past that, I doubt I'd even notice a difference.

    Congress is full of bastards though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectral View Post
    That's absofuckinglutely makes him seem like a crazy man. What in the fucking fuck are people like that doing in charge of the country?
    Making sure the separation of church and state gets bypassed. He is a nutcase who change his opinion more often than a weather vane.
    To alot of people that is a quality feature for a possible president.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chonogo View Post
    Based on the link from NPR, it sounds like both, although Wells did give a more rational synopsis than Vyxn. The NPR link still goes on to say that Woodward faulted both Obama and Boehner for not living up to the moment. Now if Vyxn came across more eloquently, he might've swayed people. Instead he got the name of the book wrong and called Wells a liar, along with recusing Boehner of any wrong-doing.
    Indeed, I don't actually doubt that Vyxn read the book. I just doubt his ability to read for comprehension and garner useful information from content. Perhaps I'm unfairly biased towards people that aren't really able to express themselves well, but life has taught me that such people are rarely good understanding much of anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chonogo View Post
    Just think of the outrage in this country if John Kerry came out the day of 9/11/01 and say this was a huge foreign diplomatic failure by Bush that got Americans killed. I guess we were all Americans back then. This country, for weeks and months, was focused on one thing. WHO DID THIS? Yes, they did come back to figure out what we did wrong, but that was months and months later, not the same damn day. It's despicable.
    I think Obama's biggest mistake was the tone he took. He basically came out with his fists down, and people started swinging. On 9/11, the speech George Bush gave could be summarized as "We are going to find these fuckers and we are going to burn them to death". President Obama likes to take a bit more diplomatic approach. Trouble is, that also leaves him wide open for attack.

    Also, isn't it weird to think that George Bush was extremely popular at one point? I mean, good lord look at this

    He got two standing ovations before he even said a word o_O

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    Not to mention he is wrong in that Woodward is actually fairly conservative, but in a more rational Economist sort of conservative. You know the kind that would still want Nixon gone for what he did.

    It does tie back to his ridiculous claims that the Economist can't be conservative because they backed Obama over Romney.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chonogo View Post

    Congress, on the other hand, is another matter altogether. I worry what a Democrat senate will do if Romney wins. I fear they'll use the same tactics the Republicans have over the past 4 years. And I worry that if Obama wins, we'll have 4 more years of the tactics used over the past 4 years.
    your assumption is correct here is the latest quote from Harry Ried

    "Mitt Romney's fantasy that Senate Democrats will work with him to pass his 'severely conservative' agenda is laughable,"

    looks like the only way we can get anything done if either party has control of the WH the Senate and the House

    But lets not forget what we got from the Democrats when they had control we got a 800 billion stimulus package that didn't meet the promises they claim it would and allot of that money went to Obama donors to failed Green Companies and a health care bill that the majority of America doesn't want

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    I would say the video of Bush doesn't so much show anything about him, but that liberals genuinely wanted to band together. Conservatives, on the other hand, began salivating at the opportunity to attack Obama the moment a single, very minor, attack happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vyxn View Post
    your assumption is correct here is the latest quote from Harry Ried

    "Mitt Romney's fantasy that Senate Democrats will work with him to pass his 'severely conservative' agenda is laughable,"

    looks like the only way we can get anything done if either party has control of the WH the Senate and the House

    But lets not forget what we got from the Democrats when they had control we got a 800 billion stimulus package that didn't meet the promises they claim it would and allot of that money went to Obama donors to failed Green Companies and a health care bill that the majority of America doesn't want

    PS if you don't like my message that fine but attacking my punctuation is just a sign you have no creditable argument with the message
    No single party, Republican, Democrat or otherwise having total control over all our branches of government is good. If you think that's a good idea, I kindly point you to the USSR. Worked our pretty well for them...not.
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    Plus there's a qualitative difference between a minority party that doesn't want to roll over and accept things that are anathema to their ideology and a minority party that doesn't let anything happen regardless of how much they might agree with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectral View Post
    That's absofuckinglutely makes him seem like a crazy man. What in the fucking fuck are people like that doing in charge of the country?
    I don't know, I thought he handled it pretty well. I personally think religious views in general are a bit odd, but I respect that people believe them. As for abortion, he makes it clear that his church doesn't try to force people in his church to be pro-life, but that he himself is, which is a point of view I disagree with but is very prevalent in the US.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reeve View Post
    I personally think religious views in general are a bit odd, but I respect that people believe them.
    I have absolutely no idea why. If someone says something that's plainly fucking stupid, I don't care what terms they couch it in. When a man is speaking about a second coming of a human incarnation of God in Missouri, I'm inclined to disregard him as fit to participate in rational conversations going forward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reeve View Post
    I don't know, I thought he handled it pretty well. I personally think religious views in general are a bit odd, but I respect that people believe them. As for abortion, he makes it clear that his church doesn't try to force people in his church to be pro-life, but that he himself is, which is a point of view I disagree with but is very prevalent in the US.
    and then says "that's what the church says (we shouldn't force it on others) but I disagree"

    It's nuts
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    Teasing, misdirection. It's the opposite of a spoiler. People expect one thing? BAM! Another thing happens.

    I'm like M. Night fucking Shamylan.

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    We're pretty good as a species of maintaining rational and irrational simultaneously. Double think is in our blood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wells View Post
    We're pretty good as a species of maintaining rational and irrational simultaneously. Double think is in our blood.
    That's true enough, and it's something I generally try to acknowledge defer to. Cognitive dissonance is a very, very powerful force. I just don't want to have to rely on it coming through at the right moment for someone that has the most powerful military in history at his fingertips. If a man can stand there and tell with a straight face that there's a second coming of a human form of God in Missouri, I don't trust his decision making process. I'm sure I believe something questionable, but nothing even in the vicinity of that shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smrund View Post
    No single party, Republican, Democrat or otherwise having total control over all our branches of government is good. If you think that's a good idea, I kindly point you to the USSR. Worked our pretty well for them...not.
    Come on, we didn't mess up that badly, did we?

    Quote Originally Posted by Spectral View Post
    I have absolutely no idea why. If someone says something that's plainly fucking stupid, I don't care what terms they couch it in. When a man is speaking about a second coming of a human incarnation of God in Missouri, I'm inclined to disregard him as fit to participate in rational conversations going forward.
    It all comes down to the purpose of the president; the president is supposed to be the face of the nation, the leader of its executive processes and the commander of the armed forces. While the president doesn't exactly have to be relatable to the people, an absolutely massive existing rift is ultimately indicative that he is not the man for the job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wells View Post
    Plus there's a qualitative difference between a minority party that doesn't want to roll over and accept things that are anathema to their ideology and a minority party that doesn't let anything happen regardless of how much they might agree with it.
    compromise is your majority bending over for my minority. didnt you know that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kasierith View Post
    Come on, we didn't mess up that badly, did we?
    Actually, no you didn't. But part of the USSR's fall was a direct result of the lack of "new blood" and new ideas, or even contrary ideas into the overall leadership, in fact it's STILL holding Russia back considering that many of your state institutions are still run by the same old men who ran them in the USSR.

    It's kinda like Fox News, they have their moments, but on the whole, when you get that many people who all think the same thing in the same room, it's just groupthink to the extreme. You get so absorbed in how right everyone thinks you are because you think they're so right that when someone shows up with an alternate opinion they're dismissed in whole, not on the merits of their opinion, but because their opinion is simply: different.

    It's not just the USSR, it can be seen in nations and civilizations throughout history. When everyone is too busy congratulating each other on how right they are because they all agree, it's easy to forget there's still room to be wrong.

    It all comes down to the purpose of the president; the president is supposed to be the face of the nation, the leader of its executive processes and the commander of the armed forces. While the president doesn't exactly have to be relatable to the people, an absolutely massive existing rift is ultimately indicative that he is not the man for the job.
    Religion aside, Romney is economically and socially disconnected with the vast, vast majority of America. Sure, the position he has in life is where the vast majority of America want to be...but it's not where they are. And wishing they were him won't make them him, but he plays right into that. "Elect me and you can be me." It's like those Victoria Secret commercials, "Wear this bra, and you're as sexy as I am." or those beer commercials: "Drink this beer and you'll be a sex god like me!"

    Everyone knows they're not true....but we all wish on some level that they were...like the Old Spice commercial

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