Assassination trick

**Shineycraft** · 2012-02-03, 08:46 PM

I heard recently a combat rogue with assassination off spec was popping vendetta on a target before the pull then changing spec and the debuff wouldn't fade, I have not spec'd assassination in a while and I was wondering if someone could confirm this.

**Lolitar** · 2012-02-03, 08:56 PM

It did work pre whatever patch just came out, I can't really confirm if it still works tho

**Ivan017** · 2012-02-03, 11:35 PM

Still works, I do it all the time.

**Sharlok** · 2012-02-04, 05:11 AM

It seems to work, however, I just did a quick test run on the dummy and dps was around 3k lower with the trick. can anybody else test this out? its 6am for me and I wouldnt count myself completely sane.

**Shineycraft** · 2012-02-04, 04:51 PM

Can anyone get a solid yes or no for this trick i would prefer not to have to re-spec my pvp setup since i am low on cash after all the epic gems i just bought

**crash90** · 2012-02-04, 05:38 PM

Nope doesn't work
dont fall for trolls

**Shineycraft** · 2012-02-04, 07:39 PM

can i get a log or a rogue who can back up their claims?

**Loktarok** · 2012-02-04, 08:20 PM

Still works. Video is being processed atm. And sorry if it's laggy, Video was laggy in edit but that maybe because it wasn't compressed.

To follow up on this. I did an ambush from Stealth in Sub without Vendetta up, 1.4k. Did one again with Vendetta 1.7k. No gear only white vendor daggers from org.

**Shineycraft** · 2012-02-05, 04:29 PM

Thanks for the post i'm going to have to try this trick out now

**Cetlysm** · 2012-02-05, 06:55 PM

It does stay on the target if you switch, But i'm not sure the 20% +dmg actually stays.
Someone would need to test it with more than 2 ambushes.
I tried this on 2 bosses at FL 10 heroic.
http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-ge5dkrs4abpk9sh7/
Shannox and Baleroc, but fight length might decrease vendetta's value a lot because it can only be used at the very start and we where carrying a dps hardcore.
No prepot on Shannox.

**Shineycraft** · 2012-02-06, 04:13 PM

Yea i had similar results I don't have logs, but my burst damage at the start of the fight definitely went way up. I have tested it from dummy to dungeon to LFR so far so good. anyone know if there is enough time to get this off on ultraxion?

**Sorzzara** · 2012-02-06, 05:35 PM

Originally Posted by Shineycraft

Yea i had similar results I don't have logs, but my burst damage at the start of the fight definitely went way up. I have tested it from dummy to dungeon to LFR so far so good. anyone know if there is enough time to get this off on ultraxion?

definitely not, since ultraxion can only be attacked/debuffed when he lands, and the fights starts the same moment. Vendetta is a debuff, not a selfbuff (would that it was a selfbuff, would definitely make assass less a pain in the ass in regards to target switching)

even if this works, its bugusing. simple as that, i know it, you know it. and if you need a trick like this one to pull whats necessary, you are doing it wrong.

**ripslyme** · 2012-02-06, 05:39 PM

works on ultraxion

**Treelife** · 2012-02-06, 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by Sorzzara

definitely not, since ultraxion can only be attacked/debuffed when he lands, and the fights starts the same moment.

He doesn't attack until you attack, though. So assuming Vendetta doesn't pull him, and this trick does work - you can do it.

**Sorzzara** · 2012-02-06, 06:06 PM

Originally Posted by Treelife

He doesn't attack until you attack, though. So assuming Vendetta doesn't pull him, and this trick does work - you can do it.

i was under the impression that he attacks immediately. anyhow, my previous statement stands...its exploit using, and not necessary if you know your stuff.

**Ivan017** · 2012-02-06, 08:51 PM

Originally Posted by Sorzzara

i was under the impression that he attacks immediately. anyhow, my previous statement stands...its exploit using, and not necessary if you know your stuff.

Creative use of game mechanics. And 'knowing your stuff' has nothing to do with it. It is a DPS increase and therefore I am going to use it because there is no reason not to.

**Bovan** · 2012-02-06, 09:25 PM

Originally Posted by Ivan017

Creative use of game mechanics.

You can't be serious.

I know this is not intended, and you know that as well. This isn't ''creative use of game mechanics'', it's exploiting a bug. It can't be any more obvious that this is not meant to happen.

You're not going to say Paladins pulling 200k DPS using Seal of Truth which hits 50 times per second is ''creative use of game mechanics'' as well I hope?

**Corayo** · 2012-02-06, 09:28 PM

Originally Posted by Bovan

You can't be serious.

I know this is not intended, and you know that as well. This isn't ''creative use of game mechanics'', it's abusing a bug. It can't be any more obvious that this is not meant to happen.

Shaman used to do the same thing, put earth shield on the tank and then go either ele or enh. They fixed that bug because its not how it was intended, only a matter of time before they fix this one, if they arent lazy.

**Bovan** · 2012-02-06, 09:31 PM

Originally Posted by Corayo

Shaman used to do the same thing, put earth shield on the tank and then go either ele or enh. They fixed that bug because its not how it was intended, only a matter of time before they fix this one, if they arent lazy.

Look I'm not looking down on people who use this, nor do I really care about this bug. But writing this off as clever use of game mechanics like the guy said is just plain wrong. The Shaman thing got fixed for a reason as well, mainly that it was not intended and could give you an advantage you shouldn't be getting.

**Verain** · 2012-02-06, 11:26 PM

Trivially, this is a bug exploit. If combat was meant to start the fight with vendetta active, then it wouldn't be the top talent in a different tree. However- there's basically no chance that this sort of bug will entail punishment, if that is what you are concerned about.

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