Holy Raidbot hunters!

[Rine]

So with the recent Buff to hunters I was expecting a quality of life change with LnL change, and BA modification to take some rng out of our LnL procs. I was expecting to see 1.5-2K dps. Well I saw that and more, I was pulling 6K+ dps higher on every encounter (4K on morchok) or more (zon'ozz) then previous weeks, same gear. Here's some log's god knows u guys <3 them

4.3 Morchok -

http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/x...yze/dd/source/

4.3.2 Morchok-

http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/9...?s=1515&e=1816

4.3 Ultraxion-

http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/r...=13535&e=13883

4.3.2 Ultraxion-

http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/a.../?s=755&e=1083

The 4.3.2 Ultra, you will notice i was getting trix, I wasnt trying to rank, the rogue we where bringing in that week (absence) decided to tot me.

Now we all know where we where on raidbots before the patch, check it out now.

10Hc-
http://raidbots.com/dpsbot/Overall_D...14/60/default/

25hc-
http://raidbots.com/dpsbot/Overall_D...14/60/default/

Now don't get me wrong I'm happy with the buffs, and i feel where in a better place, even competitive. But this scares me, if hunters are competing in high gear levels I'm assuming there in there own world in lower gear levels maybe untouchable. To summarize we all know blizzard likes to cater to the 98% population ( non-hc raider ) will these buffs last long with that in mind? Discuss your experience with the new buffs this week and what you think!

[Zergal]

Nvm wrong post oops.

[glo]

Raidbot means little to nothing.

It goes off of top parses. People get top parses with the help of their guild buffing them with dark intent, tricks, etc. People also get top parses from standing in fire, not target switching, and getting healed to compensate for it.

TLDR: Stop using Raidbot to judge the current state of the game.

[Razirm]

Raidbot means little to nothing.

It goes off of top parses. People get top parses with the help of their guild buffing them with dark intent, tricks, etc. People also get top parses from standing in fire, not target switching, and getting healed to compensate for it.

TLDR: Stop using Raidbot to judge the current state of the game.

I do agree with this. People tunnel to get the high ranks, and overall it tends to strain your group more obviously, standing in shit for too long straining healers and that, just to hit out a bit more.
I know though, with no Tricks and anything else I noticed around a 3.5k difference on Morchok Hc and around 5k on Ultraxion Hc (I don't remember how many fading lights, 3 maybe).
I really don't give a shit though, as long as everyone in the group is playing correctly, and progress bosses are going down in a reasonable fashion, I don't care.

[clampy]

You can see how effected it is by the top players.

Look how much arcane jumped up after the minor patch, it didn't get any buffs - but a lot of top mages went to arcane after the fire nerfs. Likewise, look how Fire took a 6% nerf but didn't drop in damage.

But anyway, I saw a vast improvement on damage and loving it (SV).

[construkt]

The sloppier you played before the more of a dps jump you're gonna see. Latencyalso has some bearing on this.

[Oricc]

Raidbot means little to nothing.

It goes off of top parses. People get top parses with the help of their guild buffing them with dark intent, tricks, etc. People also get top parses from standing in fire, not target switching, and getting healed to compensate for it.

TLDR: Stop using Raidbot to judge the current state of the game.

Raidbots is a fine tool for measuring DPS output of classes if you know how to use it. Go to the side-bar and look at All Parses if you want to see an average of everyone (not just the top players). You can even customize what percentile you want to be looking at in 10% increments. Top 100 is just the default setting but it's easy to change if you don't like it. This post is like saying "World of Logs sucks because I can't find my DPS on the first page".

TLDR: learn to use a tool properly before you condem it as being useless

[Rine]

Raidbot means little to nothing.

It goes off of top parses. People get top parses with the help of their guild buffing them with dark intent, tricks, etc. People also get top parses from standing in fire, not target switching, and getting healed to compensate for it.

TLDR: Stop using Raidbot to judge the current state of the game.

This is totally ignoring the point of the thread, even if your response is "lol raidbots" which it was btw, It doesn't chance the fact that i backed up my claims with logs, and I'm asking you guys to do the same, what did u find this week? What where your numbers before, what are they now? Could this ultimately lead to a nerf/buff etc.

And saying players only get top ranked parses by ignoring mechanics to pad the meters is an outlandish ignorant statement. I have many high ranked parses and I NEVER sacrifice the raids performance to do so, and you will find alot of hunters here that have top 1-20 parses that also don't screw over there raid to rank. If you could not get a ranked parse with out standing in fire, im sorry, play better.

[alathasone]

Raidbot means little to nothing.

It goes off of top parses. People get top parses with the help of their guild buffing them with dark intent, tricks, etc. People also get top parses from standing in fire, not target switching, and getting healed to compensate for it.

TLDR: Stop using Raidbot to judge the current state of the game.

Thats funny, while there are "top parses" that have people getting buffed through the wazoo, you will find a majority of parses in the top 200 are just that, top parses. I personally never get any extra buffs, but still get quite a few top parses.

[shalnath]

Is everyone forgetting about the 5% damage buff?

[Fallinsinner]

Is everyone forgetting about the 5% damage buff?

There was no 5% damage buff. It reduces the damage and health of everything in Dragon Soul.

[shalnath]

There was no 5% damage buff. It reduces the damage and health of everything in Dragon Soul.

Ah, my mistake. I assumed it was just like ICC since I haven't had a chance to log in this week.

[Fallinsinner]

Ah, my mistake. I assumed it was just like ICC since I haven't had a chance to log in this week.

I thought it was going to be a damage buff, as well. My guild and I cleared 8/8 before anything was done to Dragon Soul and now we use the Aspect's buff to clear normal mode every week because our roster is too unreliable to start hardmodes.

[UunaPriest]

Raidbot means little to nothing.

It goes off of top parses. People get top parses with the help of their guild buffing them with dark intent, tricks, etc. People also get top parses from standing in fire, not target switching, and getting healed to compensate for it.

TLDR: Stop using Raidbot to judge the current state of the game.

Not if you set it to "all parses".
TLDR: Learn to use such tools properly.

[Chaoslux]

Raidbot means little to nothing.

It goes off of top parses. People get top parses with the help of their guild buffing them with dark intent, tricks, etc. People also get top parses from standing in fire, not target switching, and getting healed to compensate for it.

TLDR: Stop using Raidbot to judge the current state of the game.

Let's not forget that even without guilds buffing a single player, when you only look at the Top parses, you'll mostly find RNG-based specs at the top who got a parse where the stars aligned, and you'll find most execution-baed specs near the bottom simply because they dont have huge variance in their dps.
For example:
Spec A does between 42k and 58k dps and you have no control over which end of the spectrum you get.
Spec B does between 49k and 51k dps.

Spec A shatters the Top Parses.

---------- Post added 2012-02-04 at 03:40 PM ----------

Not if you set it to "all parses".
TLDR: Learn to use such tools properly.

People using tools correctly? They could never use GearScore, Average ILvl, RaidBots, WoL Ranks, Recount, Skada or any other tool properly and lots of people use it to full their vendetta to see a spec nerfed. They will never see it as an analysis of what happens and would rather treat it as gospel.

[timoseewho]

RaidBots is definitely not useless.. it gives you a good idea of what class/spec thrives on certain fights, given that there's enough data.

[kidsafe]

So with the recent Buff to hunters I was expecting a quality of life change with LnL change, and BA modification to take some rng out of our LnL procs. I was expecting to see 1.5-2K dps. Well I saw that and more, I was pulling 6K+ dps higher on every encounter (4K on morchok) or more (zon'ozz) then previous weeks, same gear. Here's some log's god knows u guys <3 them

For me the AP buff alone is worth >1.5K DPS. The change to Arcane Shot no longer consuming LnL + increased proc chance from Black Arrow also increased my Explosive Shot damage from 34-35% damage to 38-39% on average. Black Arrow also does more damage than Explosive Trap and is less annoying to use on single target fights. I also changed my 'rotation' slightly to keep my focus closer to 50 when possible since LnL procs on fights like Ultraxion now.

[darkwarrior42]

I saw a pretty massive jump, but I had a hard time using explosive trap instead of black arrow on most encounters, so I'm getting a lot more LnL procs.

For instance, my top DPS on Ultraxxion before the patch was 38.4k; this past Saturday, I did 44.4k. I had the same buffs both times, and a similar number of fading lights. I don't think that was all from the patch changes, but I saw an increase in my dps on every fight (except Zon'ozz, where I had to kill myself solo-bouncing the orb to stop a wipe... long story, but short version, our tank and healers had a mental lapse and forgot how to raid for about 15 seconds >.>)

Edit: The best comparison is probably madness, actually.. there's a lot of buffs there, but the last three weeks before the patch my dps was very consistent (49.4k - 49.7k); on saturday, after the patch, I did 53.7k.... about a 4k dps gain, but that's on a fight with a lot of damage buffs, so the number isn't very meaningful... ~8% boost give or take? Something like that.

[Puerto]

I saw a pretty massive jump, but I had a hard time using explosive trap instead of black arrow on most encounters, so I'm getting a lot more LnL procs.

For instance, my top DPS on Ultraxxion before the patch was 38.4k; this past Saturday, I did 44.4k. I had the same buffs both times, and a similar number of fading lights. I don't think that was all from the patch changes, but I saw an increase in my dps on every fight (except Zon'ozz, where I had to kill myself solo-bouncing the orb to stop a wipe... long story, but short version, our tank and healers had a mental lapse and forgot how to raid for about 15 seconds >.>)

Edit: The best comparison is probably madness, actually.. there's a lot of buffs there, but the last three weeks before the patch my dps was very consistent (49.4k - 49.7k); on saturday, after the patch, I did 53.7k.... about a 4k dps gain, but that's on a fight with a lot of damage buffs, so the number isn't very meaningful... ~8% boost give or take? Something like that.

Madness is not a good fight to gauge DPS on. It s complete RNG because of the Spellweaving buff you get from Kalecgos.

[Asrialol]

There was no 5% damage buff. It reduces the damage and health of everything in Dragon Soul.

And reduced health translates to less time spent DPSing, which in most cases equals more DPS. Though this can be false if you miss a certain debuff on the boss (For instance, due to shorter fight length, Warlord dies before a P2, meaning he doesn't take increased damage, meaning less DPS in that sense.)

But, usually, shorter fight, more deeps.