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  1. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by Kanath View Post
    Here is the Spine thread: http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...ing-Tendon-DPS

    And yea, what those above me said, dont be such a spoiled kid and show some gratitude. It ain't hard to find at all (go to warlock forums, search for "spine" and check the 2nd page).
    Just noticed this and thank you for the link. Also , enough with the spolied, and finally thank you for the enlightment with the stats reforging for madness guys, appreaciate it

  2. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by Torgarth View Post
    Just noticed this and thank you for the link. Also , enough with the spolied, and finally thank you for the enlightment with the stats reforging for madness guys, appreaciate it
    That's more like it!

  3. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by Jainzar View Post
    as affli for example, do you multi dot all the time, even on the second and third platform (and risking that the arm tentacle will go below 90% and start aoeing) ?

    is there any special "rotation" we should use because of spellweaving? for example when the bloods spawn, i soulburn : seed of corruption on them and spread corr, so i get more spellweave proccs ( i dont really know if that works though ), since we tank the bloods near the mutated tentacle to gain some extra dps. other than that, im not really sure wether to use bane of agony or bane of doom, most parses ive browsed through didnt really use boa at all, which i find strange, because theres a lot of soulswapping and multidotting going on and with the extra haste boa should be generally better in the fight, no? and if we should use boa, should we also use the boa glyph?

    also does our curse of elements aura affect the parasites and the elementium bolts when they come? (the coe that is on the arm tentacle that is) not sure about the range
    (Affi perspective only)
    1) My raid burns platform 1/2 sub-90%, and 3/4 I solo dot down to 90%, but never below.
    2) RoF for highest spellweaving procs - SoC fine if your aoe is good. Never dot-spam them.
    3) I use BoA glyph for all fights in DS. My little lazy secret, don't tell anyone :-)
    4) Jinx will affect it once in range - just burn.

    Additionally -
    -I save soulswap for parasite + bolts, but my raid doesn't actually require me to dps parasites (we only bother getting them sub50% - so only fast-swap classes really focus on them - spriest + arcane etc).
    -Sflame glyph is awesome p2 - saved so many screwups.
    Last edited by rijn dael; 2012-02-22 at 11:55 PM.

  4. #24
    With all this spellweave mechanics in this fight, how would you guys rank our trinkets here in general? Does anyone have experience with CoC/VPL triggering extra Spellweavedamage?

    Personally i´m asking, because i recently got CoC LFR (yay, finally! ) and so i try to find the best combo with HVPL/HICM/WoU/CoC LFR (affliction specc) for Madness HC with Simcraft not being able to simulate theSpellweaveproc-thing.
    Last edited by Bebopx; 2012-02-24 at 11:29 AM.

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    http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/to...0773960?page=9
    Darkzyrklord made a really good guide for warlocks here ... hope it helps

    Madness of Deathwing

    This fight is ridiculously fun. You get to see a huge amount of numbers, have a ton of options, and have a ton of room to learn little tricks to maximize your output.

    General Fight Strategy

    You've done normal mode a bunch. Literally the only change beyond more hp and bigger numbers is the addition of the Corrupting Parasite which you need to kill (read the encounter journal or watch a kill video to see how they function).

    Standard platform kill order is Green-->Red-->Yellow-->Blue

    100% important holy crap you need this or your raid will literally laugh at you: Make a /target macro for parasites and bolts. You can target the bolts while they're still a million miles away.

    Specs

    Affliction: King spec for this fight.

    - Soul swap allows for easy target switching (onto either Parasites or Bolts).
    - Soulburn + SoC = god mode for bloods
    - The self healing is incredibly good. I had 1.1 million healing on myself with siphon life on our kill.
    - Has a stronger BoA than the other specs. You will be using this on the bloods (which I will explain why in a bit)
    - Scales with haste exceedingly well (you have a ton on this fight)
    - Requires constant life tapping due to ridiculously fast cast speed (1.3 second shadow bolts generally).
    - Has arguably the strongest execute damage in the game. A good chunk of the fight involves things in drain soul range.

    Demonology: Only use if nobody else is bringing 10% spell power.

    - Roughly 10k to 20k dps behind Affliction at the end of the fight.
    - Requires melee range to maximize damage, but being in melee range of the corruption tentacle is a big no-no.
    - Neither Immolation Aura, nor Hellfire proc spellweaving in an effective manner.
    - Horrendously bad for fast target swaps.
    - Immolate does last a long time, which is good for bloods.
    - Mana feed means you won't need to life tap much.

    Destruction: Has potential, but isn't as good as Affliction

    - Arguably better snap target swap damage than Affliction due to a quick conflag + 3x incinerate
    - Readily goes into the sub 1 second cast territory for incinerate while under backdraft
    - Multidot potential is lower than Affliction.
    - BoH is nice, but is mainly used to ensure trickle damage onto the corruptions/wing tentacles while you're attacking bloods.
    - Higher Rain of Fire damage is nice.
    - Nether Ward is useful during the constant AOE damage at certain points in the fight.
    - No execute whatsoever.
    - The biggest problem with Destruction is that everything it brings to the table for this fight is merely acceptable, not mindblowingly awesome like Affliction.

    Warlock Specific Strategies

    I'm making the assumption you're Affliction for this fight, so let's get started.

    Your felhunter appears to take full damage from the initial parasite explosion, also he loves to stand next to it automatically (with our positioning at least). Make sure to manually move it into the main melee clump.

    The main reason Affliction is so good for this fight is because of the sheer amount of Spellweaving damage you can bring to the table. Let's go over the spells you'll be using here:

    Spells

    UA & Corruption & BoA: Your bread and butter dots on this fight. Every DoT tick has a chance to proc spellweaving.

    Shadowflame: The direct damage portion, and the DoT portion have a chance to proc spell weaving. ***THIS IS YOUR BEST SPELL FOR THE BLOODS IF YOU ARE IN MELEE RANGE***

    Soulburn-->SoC: The DD portion of SoC can cause a single tick of spell weaving, which kind of sucks. However, putting corruption on every blood is amazing.

    Rain of Fire (lolwut): Here's the deal. For the purposes of spellweaving, each tick of RoF counts as a separate direct damage spell on every target it hits. Because of this, RoF is your main AOE spell on this fight. Use it on the bloods for just 5 seconds and look at your damage skyrocket. It's absolutely insane.

    Strat Stuff

    I'll go over what happens on each platform and what order you should be doing things.

    1. Fight start: Attack wing/arm tentacle
    1a. (Optional): Double dot the wing tentacle on the blue platform. This is a more advanced thing once you progress further in the fight.
    2. Corruption tentacle spawns: DoT it up and send your pet over.
    3. Parasite spawns: Swap to it and kill it before it explodes (potentially use soul swap)
    4. Attack corruption tentacle more
    5. Bolt spawns: Swap to it and kill it before it lands (potentially use soul swap)
    6. Bloods spawn:
    - Soulburn-->SoC
    - Tab BoA each blood
    - Tab UA each blood
    7. Parasite spawns and bloods are dragged to it: RoF the bloods
    8. Bloods & Parasite & Corruption tentacle die within a short period of time in between each
    9. Swap to wing/arm tentacle
    10. Tab Corruption the fiery tentacles if Alextrazsa isn't up
    11. Kill wing/arm tentacle and move to next platform

    Phase 2

    1. DoT up the head
    2. Get 3 stacks of shadow embrace
    3. Go to town with drain soul
    4. Tab corruption/UA the shrapnel tentacles when they spawn
    5. Ignore the 2 big adds when they spawn initially
    6. SB-->SoC the bloods when they spawn, then follow up with RoF as they run in.
    7. Kill the 2 big adds
    8. Repeat until dead.
    9. Enjoy your tit staff if you don't have the legendary already.
    10. Pray you roll high enough to win one of the mounts.

    The reason you stop attacking the corruption while the bloods are up is because spell weaving cleaves off the bloods and onto the corruption, thus netting you more effective dps. The off-tank will wrangle up the blood and keep them next to the corruption to ensure this. Once the parasite spawns, the OT will move the bloods over to the parasite to make it die faster as well.

    Having 3 dots + RoF means you have the potential for the highest spellweaving damage of any class in the game. On our kill, 24% of my damage was from spellweaving (for a grand total of 16.7 Million damage @ 773 ticks). Take advantage of your strength and think of it as retribution for being one of the worst classes on Spine of Deathwing.

    Credits go to Darkzyrklord

  6. #26
    Thanks a lot Iffnar for pointing this post ! (and thanks Darkzyrklord for writing it)

  7. #27
    indeed, what a great guide i was single targeting the mutated corruption but it seems that spellweaving cleave is better i'm giving that a shot today and hope dw falls today

  8. #28
    I'm really wondering how the Spellweave mechanic works? What is meant by "Spellweave cleave"? I thought spellweave had a chance to proc off every single attack made against a target, IE: Dot ticks, damage procs, direct damage attacks, and aoe attacks. Does it not work like that?

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    The mechanic itself is simple: You dmg something and it can procc a 6y? explosion that hurts everything around the target

    but it doesn't work for every spell or doesn't work equally well for every spell:
    - I have read that Hellfire doesn't procc it at all
    - Seed of corruption only the cast itself can procc it I think(so 1 procc)
    - Rain of fire every single tick for every single mob can procc it so if there are 6 mobs and you cast rain of fire on them all 6 of them could procc spellweave every 1.5 seconds or something depending on your haste ofc

    I think this guide was made for 25 man raids. I don't know if every bit of information in it can be used for 10 man raiding
    He made a guide for every fight in DS and they can all be found here
    http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/to...0773960?page=1
    Last edited by Iffnar; 2012-03-01 at 09:01 PM.

  10. #30
    Does anyone know if drain life procs Spellweave?

  11. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by Clevix View Post
    I just SB:SoC on bloods -> Shadowflame -> Channel RoF for spellweave. Our raid never bothered not to dps arm below 90% we just did as much as we could but not sub 75%
    We are about to start this fight this week so thanks for the tips in this thread everyone, I am curious as to why any raid would avoid dpsing the arm below 90%?

  12. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by Masith View Post
    We are about to start this fight this week so thanks for the tips in this thread everyone, I am curious as to why any raid would avoid dpsing the arm below 90%?
    The arm starts to do damage to the entire raid after 90% (and increases the lower it gets). I think this is the spell but I'm not sure, http://www.wowhead.com/spell=109618.

  13. #33
    i was looking for someone to go more in depth about demo on this fight
    i've looked at the top 10 logs as demo and see they are all incinerate spec and none of them used ring of fire

    i would love to know the reason behind both (25H)

  14. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by kvarn View Post
    i was looking for someone to go more in depth about demo on this fight
    i've looked at the top 10 logs as demo and see they are all incinerate spec and none of them used ring of fire

    i would love to know the reason behind both (25H)
    That's a good question actually. I can tell that they are indeed immolating many of the adds but also that they are using hellfire. My guess would be that they get much of their AoE spellweave procs from Shadowflame, but I'm not sure. I'm certainly not a demonology expert...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ignominious View Post
    That's a good question actually. I can tell that they are indeed immolating many of the adds but also that they are using hellfire. My guess would be that they get much of their AoE spellweave procs from Shadowflame, but I'm not sure. I'm certainly not a demonology expert...
    Maybe the hellfire part isn't true/was patched or they don't know ... I didn't test all these mechanics




    We killed this boss this week for the first time .. using this guide ... ranked world 11 or something for affliction also frapsed it

    I can post the video if you want to(as soon as youtube stops hating me) ^^

  16. #36
    gief link of your video (also nailed it today) great guide

  17. #37
    Rank 11? Damn, lemme see some of that good stuffs!

    EDIT: Damn, you weren't kidding!

    http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/r...&e=3157#Iffnar

  18. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by Ignominious View Post
    Rank 11? Damn, lemme see some of that good stuffs!

    EDIT: Damn, you weren't kidding!

    http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/r...&e=3157#Iffnar
    Indeed lol, got the video,no dmg meter, BOOH http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a10vi...2&feature=plcp

  19. #39
    Nice Job!

    I'll never be able to whore that much spellweave off the bloods though, as the entire guild is already trying to along side me :P You had several of them survive the first spawn, our problem is that we kill them (almost) too fast because we're all dotting them up. Interesting video nonetheless!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Torgarth View Post
    Indeed lol, got the video,no dmg meter, BOOH http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a10vi...2&feature=plcp
    thats the version with where I had to swap the audio ... german guild so most of the videos with any kind of music are blocked through gema
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2oUGTEx1cE thats the version with vent(if you understand german ^^) and some music
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSPMj_HQNRY alternative version if you don't like the music

    It was our firstkill so not that much meter whoring ... or not intentionally

    Edit: Fraps killed my performance a little and I was nervous so maybe I can get better
    Last edited by Iffnar; 2012-03-02 at 03:26 PM.

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