Heroic 10 Ultraxion - Healer Question (and maybe some DPS question)

[RavenGage]

It doesn't matter; ANY FB/PB ignite + LB would get ~10k TICKS, not crits. His tick/crit damage means he doesn't always have LB or FB's ignite for combustion

I got my logs mixed up, was thinking of Yor when you don't always have time to wait for a LB/PB crit. On Ultrax yes, it shouldn't be 6k.

---------- Post added 2012-02-07 at 11:42 PM ----------

give the paladin the blue, priest the green/red, pop bl at 20%

Why the hell would you give the priest red/green? Not only are you taking red away from the Pally but you're the downgrading the priests' heals by switching to green.

[Tsukushi]

We start our paladin out with red, then when blue comes out we let it sit while he continues to spam HR with red until he is about to go OOM, at that point he takes the blue buff. We use a shaman with the green buff as our other healer. We saved BL until the last 45 seconds before enrage, but with the recent nerfs we are starting to use it earlier. The perfect timing of lust would have it expire right as you dealt the killing blow.

Another thing to note is that we use 2 feral druid tanks. With the reduced tank CDs and their extended durations, we get at least 80% uptime on the feral 4 piece. The raid healing the tanks do is pretty much like having a 3rd healer.

[Sadinar]

If you're running disc/holy pal, I would not suggest you give the hpal red->blue, as many people are suggesting, but rather green->blue. For shamans/druids, green is about as good as red. However, for disc priests, green is mediocre. It doesn't proc off of any of the absorbs. By forcing your disc to do green, its going to shift the brunt of the work in the final burn to your pally. Giving your disc red, however, will enable him to heal a decent amount during the burn, and will increase your raids overall healing during the burn.

This does mean healing in the beginning of the encounter is slightly harder, but why would you worry about that when its the burn thats the serious problem?

[Zheryn]

Why the hell would you give the priest red/green? Not only are you taking red away from the Pally but you're the downgrading the priests' heals by switching to green.

The buffs gets better and better throughout the fight. Red is the worst and blue is the best. You can't downgrade yourself.

---------- Post added 2012-02-08 at 03:39 PM ----------

Giving your disc red, however, will enable him to heal a decent amount during the burn, and will increase your raids overall healing during the burn.

By giving the disc red, he'll have to heal a lot in the start since the paladin doesn't have a buff. By having the paladin taking red first he can solo heal most of the fight and the disc priest can keep doing 10k DPS and just help out with the healing in the end, which means shorter time in soft enrage.

[Mmpie]

I'll just tell you what we've done since we have the same healer comp. Our disc takes red. Pally (me) takes green and blue. I plea a couple of seconds before the second HoT. I aim for ~20% mana when blue is available. HR ALL THE THINGS! I think our disc puts down barrier right around Time Loop, and that is also when we call for healer lust.

He loves red and I love green/blue.

I did this on a 389 alt, OP pallies!!

[PalawinFC]

Holy paladin with blue buff will do more throughput than any other class with blue buff in similar gear. Beyond any doubt whatsoever.

If you're still skeptical, look at the heroic ultraxion logs. Whether 25m or 10m holy paladins consistently dominate every other class.

Additionally, red is better than green. Your priest should get red, then your paladin should get green and then blue. This will provide you with the most throughput when it comes to the high damage phase, assuming your healers know how to play their classes.

[Yilar]

We go
Disc - red
Pala - Green>Blue

Disc smites till red, then heals a bit, when green spawans disc smites more, as blue approaches disc heals a bit, and when pala gets blue disc smites again. When timeloop happens he spams poh. He never goes oom because smite is virtually no mana, and the pala gets blue so he doesnt go oom either.

[RavenGage]

The buffs gets better and better throughout the fight. Red is the worst and blue is the best. You can't downgrade yourself.

Yes you can. No offense but seriously, that's just wrong. This is a DISC priest we're talking about. Almost 50% of their AoE heals come from Divine Aegis, an absorbs which is not affected by green buff. Red is way way way better for Disc than green, going red -> green is a big downgrade.

In fact that's true for Pallies as well. Illuminated Healing, a big part of pally heals and an absorb is not affected by green. So in fact both healers on this fight prefer red over green. It's blue > red > green.

[Tup]

Blue is better off on Paladin and green is kinda crappy for both. So what you wanna do is have your Priest pick up red in this case and Paladin should pick up green & blue buff. Should you have your Priest respec to Holy, tell him to take green one. Also, if your Priest really goes into smiting mode (not sure how that spec is called...), he can easly ramp up to 7-8k constant DPS(e) which means fight is going to be shorter (damage Ultraxion does is not based on his HP %, but on the time of the fight, so the faster you can end fight, the less you will have to heal).

What you also wanna try is pop Heroism / Time War p/ Bloodlust at start for your DPS so they don't lose any benefit from it by Faiding Light later on (but have your two healers use Heroic Will 4-5 seconds before you pull the boss & pop BL / TW / Hero, so they enter other realm and won't get affected by it). You pop heroism later on after you hit 4-5 minute mark for easier healing when damage really becomes harsh and unhealable.

And like previous people advised you - prepot! Means you get to use it twice and shorten fight even more.

[anonim127]

Paladin should take red buff only and priest green/blue.
Paladin solo heals the raid while your disc priest(attonement speced ofc) is smiting the boss untill the damage becomes unhealable for paladin.

[LaplaceNoMa]

http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-nj...?s=1345&e=1607

This is our kill from this week, 2 tanks, 1 healer, 7 DPS. Holy paladin was healing. He's rather bad (I'm not exaggerating, he really IS bad, we're actually looking for a replacement atm) and still he had to learn for only 3 pulls to make it happen. It's actually easier to solo heal 0:00-4:20 then to heal 'half' of damage that's going on close to 5th minute.

On the other hand, your DPS shouldn't be slacking. We had 5 people doing 40k+ and 2 healers' offspecs doing about ~28 and ~35 k each.

Using this tactic, our paladin didn't bother about the second buff.

Edit: Or maybe he did on the last pull, need to re-check 'dem logs..

[Wunhunglo]

Hey everyone!

Thank you for all your helpful responses to my original question.

I know that far too many of these "Please help my raid" posts appear on these forums but it is because there are so many helpful people on this site.

After receiving all of these responses, we ended up 2 shotting H Ultraxion last Thursday (and the healers made it look EASY!).

Here is our log: http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/4...?s=8068&e=8373

Thanks again!