*and do something about your rotation*

[Niko031]

Hey mmo-champs,
im 392 arms warrior http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...arvin/advanced
and i did a madness run today in which i pulled 34k dps (5th)

The leading hunter did 42k dps and the last dps (frost dk) did 30k. Then the leader replaced a resto shaman for doing bad healing and the dk for doing bad dps, taking a shadow priest and a resto druid. After a while he decided to replace me too for doing bad dps, even tho i outdpsed the warlock.
He replaced me with this http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...alana/advanced T.T and told me to do something about my rotation.

So whats wrong with my rotation?

[rinleezwins]

Was that 25-man normal or ?

[ruke]

So what is your rotation? Or do we have to guess it?

[rinleezwins]

I just noticed your guild raids 25-man and DAMN your raid dps is very low. My arms warrior alt is just 392 geared(no gurthalak) and I pulled way over 40k dps or even more(not trolling or bragging). Your rotation, however seems fine, judging by the amount of slams and everything else.

[Mest]

I suggest you spend some time at a combat dummy, log your actions then upload and post them here. Otherwise it's really difficult to give accurate information.

[Parynziux]

As a guess I'd say your up-time on targets is low and/or you aren't timing abilities efficiently during all the switching. Do you tab target? Use keybinds? What *IS* your rotation (it looks like you use the right abilities, but I can't get an idea when or how)?

[Bellinne]

I can tell you that as arms, from looking at your rotation, you don't slam nearly enough. I'd also look into your colossus smash uptime. It's a HUGE part of arms dps, and chaining it is essential.

[MorphexEU]

You use overpower way too much, and where is heroic strike? Slam should also be higher up there.

You could also, and probably, min / max those reforges. I'd suggest getting the addon ReforgeLite.

[Paisti]

It's probably just that you dont use Bladestorm enough and fish those spellweave procs, 10% spellweave dmg is not really high. Would like to see how much dmg spellweave did on those who are better than you on recount.

[Gromnak]

I don't see heroic strike on your recount, it should be top 5 atleast. You have 1/2 tactical mastery .....2/2 is mandatory for arms dps, you should primarily be in berserker stance, switching back and forth for overpower procs......it looks to me like you just stayed in battle stance the whole time.

When bloods come out on madness you make sure you are in berserker stance then you heroic leap into the bloods and bladestorm. You should also spec 2/2 field dressing to help your own survivability and your healers. You don't need drums of war.

You are way over hit rating (8.00% 961 rating) ...fix that (I use wowreforge.com)

Rotting skull trinket is only good for heroic spine tendon burst and possibly hagara on the short burn phase each time. Everywhere else it's a bad trinket and you need to replace it.

Your cloak is BiS, put 65 crit and a 50 str gem if you can afford it.

[DominianEu]

You should use heroic strike and bladestorm, my guess is that your not realy using heroic strike at all.

Im at ILVL 392 without the 4 set bonus, since its my OS. I do have the 403 version wich is abit of dps. This log is from our wensday kill on Madness 10 man wich i assume you did since your guild is a 25 man guild. I did 43-44k on that kill, and im sure it can alot higher then that.

Im not allowed to post links yet due to post count amount, so fill in . instead of DOT...

www DOT worldoflogs DOT com/reports/t7sri3xx9pcoiv4k/details/8/?s=6147&e=6839

Madness are pretty simple, since cooldowns are easy enough to monitor. What you most likley lack is sunder armor wich is quite abit of dps, we usualy get it on and try to keep it rolling. I heard that if your staying on the target for 30 seconds you should always sunder armor first. I might be wrong thought. Your amount of execute seems extremley high.

This is from the ARMS post on this forum:

Execute (Sub-20%) Rotation

During the phase where the target’s HP percentage is below 20%, Execute becomes available to use and will result in a visible dps
increase due to the haste buff you receive after every use of it, thanks to the Executioner talent.
During this scenario, Execute will replace Slam in your typical rotation, nothing more, nothing less.
Continue using Mortal Strike off cooldown, Colossus Smash when possible, and Overpower for the almost-guaranteed critical strike.
Once all three are on cooldown, use Execute.
However, the only exception to this rule is to only use Execute when your rage is at about 30 or more otherwise it becomes weaker than Slam.

We open with heroism so i use recklesness after 3 mortal strikes, i always use deadly calm at the start of each platform since this is the only time i feel i might lack rage. I use inner rage right after its off cd, and use heroic strike when i can afford it. Time berserker rage to 70% or 40% since tentacles will make you take extra damage and gain extra rage. (Well since you do take more damage then normal, i assume this increase rage gain but i cant confirm it)

Bladestorm at hemmorage (ooozes), with us they die so fast my bladestorm get 2 ticks so your ww damage should be higher then mine. (i think i missed one of the packs aswell) Use recklesness when its off cooldown and you get decent cooldowns ready. I use sweeping strikes on the small tentacles that appears on his arm, and on the two big adds in the last phase. I also tanked one of the adds with shieldwall + defensiv stance a short while in order to help our tank surviving the debuffs. Then we heroismed and killed him before the next set of adds.

[Kirinya]

Like others mentioned you need to use Heroic Strike more often, also since you have 2pc bonus you need to use Inner Rage as much as possible to make use of those cheap Heroic Strikes otherwise you are wasting 2pc and you are not benefiting from it.
Are you benefiting from Recklessness+Sweeping Strikes during Bladestorm on the bloods?

[iamthedevil]

Are you benefiting from Recklessness+Sweeping Strikes during Bladestorm on the bloods?

This hasn't worked since WotLK. Don't waste SS on BS, it only transfers the first hit.

As other said, you don't seem to be utilizing slam and HS as well as you could be.

[Haunted]

Like others mentioned you need to use Heroic Strike more often, also since you have 2pc bonus you need to use Inner Rage as much as possible to make use of those cheap Heroic Strikes otherwise you are wasting 2pc and you are not benefiting from it.
Are you benefiting from Recklessness+Sweeping Strikes during Bladestorm on the bloods?

I'd say using Recky on bloods is a waste where he could use it during a cataclysm to increase his dps a bit more, just normal bladestorm is sufficient for them due to spellweave

[Lohe]

I'll gladly dissect a log for you if you upload a log of something like Zon'ozz normal, Ultraxion or Baleroc. (just an lfr run of ultraxion would be great)
A dummy fight works too if you prefer but an actual fight would be much better.

This hasn't worked since WotLK. Don't waste SS on BS, it only transfers the first hit.

Until Red platform is "disabled" there's nothing else to use Sweeping Strikes on.

[Asmalya]

34k on..madness? Madness? With all those buffs?
What is this o.O

[asharia]

drop blood and thunder, its pointless on madness.

leap to corruptions. leap onto regenerative bloods and straight up bladestorm (no SS, no tclap).

make sure you dont let LttS drop. hopefully you track it. and try and sneak an MS right at the end of the arm dying, so you can charge - ms the next arm to keep it up.

you can pop sweeping strikes on one wave of blistering tentacles per platform (depending on how many platforms you kill them on, what order you use etc). you cant aoe them, but you can cleave back onto the arm. you lose no primary target dps if you have it glyphed. dont cleave though, just heroic strike. same with the horrors obviously, sweeping strikes onto the second one.


what is your rotation? can you explain a little bit? recount doesnt tell us much

edit: the fight is long! 3x recklessness dont forget!!! use it early, ideally during the push to burn the first corruption down. 1st, 3rd and p2

[Niko031]

I dont raid with my guild, this was 10man.
I dont have blood and thunder speced, and i dont have 2/2 tactician mastery because i dont stance dance. (should i?)
i use classic rotation (charge-rend-cs-ms-op-slam and heroic strikes when i feel my rage lets me use them).
I do my best to keep Ltts up.

It might be my CD rotation because i used reck on that fight once i think, and i use my DC+trink on bolts or blistering tentacles.
My dps is usually higher on LFR or when i did 7/7 25 with guild.

About the logs, i actually dont know how to upload/get them.
My dps on the dummy is usually something between 23-27.

Give me all you can think of (tips, your rotation, everything.) ill read it all and reply.

[Gottalot]

I'd say using Recky on bloods is a waste where he could use it during a cataclysm to increase his dps a bit more, just normal bladestorm is sufficient for them due to spellweave

I have to agree here. Using Reck on bloods is a waste of a 5min CD imo.

EDIT: OT. I think DominianEu got most of it covered. In short change your spec and use HS more.

[Espada]

For the logs, you only need to type /combatlog in your chat, no addons needed. When you finish your raid, create an account on worldoflogs.com and update it there (just follow the steps they ask you to upload it)

Madness I won't say that it's a great encounter to look at your rotation, specially without logs, because it depends too much of what the raid does, how much double damage you get up (I won't leave reck to that, since we get none when we run with 7 dps), what order of platforms, etc. But looking at the % of damage you probably aren't using all the rage you can. HS do not appear, and slam it's a bit low, and those are where you burn your rage... so I would start there. Basically it's MS on CD, and fill two other skills between the MS, CS, OP and slam, in that order. Keep using your berserker rage to get more rage and throw all the HS you can, in madness at least I always find myself with a good rage income, with the raid damage and the haste from yellow, so HS should be higher there, up to 9-10%.

PD: I usually save the SS to kill the meteor without switching target from the tentacle, while it's flying over my head (we finish the corruption before it's casted), at least while yellow is up.