Heroic Horrifying Horn Arbalest "VS" Vishanka ~

[darcubus]

Hey guys, not sure if anyone has much experience with these but just not sure exactly which is better with all the variables that come into play.

1st of all I'm SV that is mastery built in preference to haste. I previously had the Heroic Horrifying Horn Arbalest drop for me earlier this week... and of course as a the RNG gods would have it, they finally decided to give DW the nod and let him drop the bow.... now that I had the H Arbalest... w@#kers.

That said I have know that the bows proc scales with SV's mastery and so was curious to see how which was better of the two. I plugged it in FD, and the arbalest did come out on top. It was just under a 150 dps upgrade.

What I was wondering was if FD took the proc, and it's it's connection to SV's mastery into consideration? and if not, would it make up the difference, and/or then make the bow perform better?

It's all rather specific, but any help/info would be grand ~

[asharia]

FD says vish is 7dps better for me (SV 396i 4pc t13)

[Herecius]

They are very close. Going by your av, I'm guessing you aren't a troll? Would certainly make the decision easier...

[Bodom]

I'd use the bow.

[Ashe-Arathor]

I would still pick Vishanka over Heroic Arbalest.
The proc on the bow, while it's low overall damage, is still better than 131 crit and 87 haste, according to Femaledwarf.

FYI, I'm goblin, ilvl 399, 4pc T13 and I play mastery heavy survival aswell.

[Mithrildar]

I simmed this with my 397 ilevel Hunter. With all raid buffs on I simmed 16.91 (nearly ignorable) dps higher with Heroic Horrifying Horn Aralbest. So we are fine to state that with current gear levels they are equal (Vishanka was 22 dps better without buffs, Aralbest 17 dps with buffs). Myth busted.

So you people all simmed it without buffs.....

[Oricc]

I ran into this same thing today, but FD told me Horrifying Horn was a 700 DPS downgrade O.o . This must be wrong but can anyone figure out why? I'm going crit > mastery > haste SV with 402 ilvl. I'm not sure whether it's an ilvl thing or maybe a wonky haste-plateau thing the FD is messing up? (I don't use haste plateau's but I know FD has some strange math that can give weird results with haste)

[Illana]

I ran into this same thing today, but FD told me Horrifying Horn was a 700 DPS downgrade O.o . This must be wrong but can anyone figure out why? I'm going crit > mastery > haste SV with 402 ilvl. I'm not sure whether it's an ilvl thing or maybe a wonky haste-plateau thing the FD is messing up? (I don't use haste plateau's but I know FD has some strange math that can give weird results with haste)

you set all the parameters correctly?

raid buffs
shot priority
time of fight
pet

[Essenji]

I would still pick Vishanka over Heroic Arbalest.
The proc on the bow, while it's low overall damage, is still better than 131 crit and 87 haste, according to Femaledwarf.

FYI, I'm goblin, ilvl 399, 4pc T13 and I play mastery heavy survival aswell.

You're totally disregarding the fact that it has higher damage.

I'd trust Mithrildars numbers. In the long run, not much difference.

[Oricc]

you set all the parameters correctly?

I'm pretty sure yes, it was extremely strange.

[Draeblin]

For my sv dwarf simcraft shows the arbalest ~140dps below vishanka.

[Namarus]

You're totally disregarding the fact that it has higher damage.

I'd trust Mithrildars numbers. In the long run, not much difference.

Because weapon damage is a huge factor for SV hunters.

[Oricc]

Because weapon damage is a huge factor for SV hunters.

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not, weaopn damae is huge for SV hunters as every single shot we have scale with it, even the ones that do magical damage

[Rukentuts]

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not, weaopn damae is huge for SV hunters as every single shot we have scale with it, even the ones that do magical damage

Wpn damage isn't big to SV, it's big to MM.

@OP: Use Vish

[Glocktopus]

Vish is preferable for troll, its a honest toss up for everyone else.

[darcubus]

Thanks for all for the replies, very appreciated.

They are very close. Going by your av, I'm guessing you aren't a troll? Would certainly make the decision easier...

Yeah I am a Worgen, if I was troll you'd be spot on to head towards the bow.

I simmed this with my 397 ilevel Hunter. With all raid buffs on I simmed 16.91 (nearly ignorable) dps higher with Heroic Horrifying Horn Aralbest. So we are fine to state that with current gear levels they are equal (Vishanka was 22 dps better without buffs, Aralbest 17 dps with buffs). Myth busted.

So you people all simmed it without buffs.....

I did notice that too, originally I forgot and simmed without RB and thought WTH O_o... but once I plugged them all in, the Xbow nudged in front. Which made me think maybe there was something else I could be missing that might actually make the bow be back in front.

Sadly my gear is actually rather random and a bit crap compared to the rest of my raid. It's a little self inflicted and a lot rng. While all of my raid have 4p and 1/2 of it being heroic, I'm still on 2P HT12 and 2p t13.../shudder. I've just had some really bad luck with drops and rolls so I know when my gear goes up, my stats/mastery will as well and could alter my choice again.

It all seems to be so close that I may have to reevaluate again once I get a bit more gear.

[Oricc]

Wpn damage isn't big to SV, it's big to MM.

It is so big for SV, go sim your character on FD and see the stat weight it gives for Weapon damage, it's guaranteed to be above Agility. It's definitely bigger for MM but It's still the number one stat for SV.

[Zeherah]

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not, weaopn damae is huge for SV hunters as every single shot we have scale with it, even the ones that do magical damage

Actually explosive shot, our highest damage shot, does not scale with weapon damage. Black arrow and serpent sting also don't scale with weapon damage. Pets don't scale with weapon damage. Cobra shot, arcane shot, autoshot, kill shot and multishot do scale with weapon damage.

MM is the only hunter spec which has their "money shot" scale with weapon damage (both aimed and chimera do).

Keep in mind also that the horn is faster than Vishanka, which does mean that the weapon damage contribution is slightly weaker than it would be if it was 3.0 speed.

Weapon damage definitely does matter for all hunter specs, but it's far weaker for SV and BM than it is for MM.

[eschatological]

I use heroic horrifying horn arbalest on H-Spine, and that's it, and that's mainly due to preferring the static stats over RNG proc damage for tendon burst. Normal Vish'anka for everything else.

[Namarus]

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not, weaopn damae is huge for SV hunters as every single shot we have scale with it, even the ones that do magical damage

That was sarcasm.