Heroic Horrifying Horn Arbalest "VS" Vishanka ~

[timoseewho]

Regular vishanka also sims better than heroic horrifying for me as survival.

[Crooklyn]

i lose ~250 dps by switching to the heroic horrifying

but i think it's overvaluing the proc from the bow since, unless i'm reading it wrong, it's estimating it at ~700ish? dps

realistically, this bow is only around ~550 dps for me on standstill fights

[Amorise]

i lose ~250 dps by switching to the heroic horrifying

but i think it's overvaluing the proc from the bow since, unless i'm reading it wrong, it's estimating it at ~700ish? dps

realistically, this bow is only around ~550 dps for me on standstill fights

FD is definitely overvaluing the bow proc at times. It's showing the 390 Vishanka as ~100 DPS better than the 410 Arbalest for example in Survival. I would understand the 403 but there's no way in hell that the proc is worth 20 ilvls of weapon DPS + secondaries. The proc is only averaging around 1.5% of my DPS on a 5 minute Ultraxion.

Regular Vishanka would beat out the 410 Arbalest however for Survival due to Mastery feeding the proc further, providing about 2% bonus damage with very very minimal difference in weapon damage. Worth grabbin for BM maybe or MM definitely though.

[Zeherah]

I have the Vishanka modeled as using physical crit and hit rate but spell crit multiplier, benefitting from SV mastery and spell damage debuffs. I have the proc rate set to 15% and the ICD at 15 sec. I've tested the ICD myself so I'm fairly sure that's accurate. I'm not sure about the proc rate, I was given that by others. It's possible there are some multipliers currently being included in the calculation which don't actually apply to the proc, but I haven't done extensive testing to verify it. I'll see if I can get some folks to help me with verification. I only just got the normal version last week so I haven't been using it myself till recently.

[fsdfosdgj]

with averaging over time, replacing 403 vishanka with 410 arbalest gives me -244 dps
without averaging over time, replacing 403 vishanka with 410 arbalest gives me +700 dps

considering that the averaging over time option gives and has always given bad results (in my opinion, i guess it just dramatically increases dot damage, which would explain why vishanka does so much higher dps with the option enabled) i personally run with the 410 arbalest (:

[ihatepeople]

The only way I could see Vishanka being better than a 410 weapon is if you were troll. That extra 1% crit is pretty nice and helps offset the penalty of using a lower ilvl weapon with no secondary stats. The proc is horribly weak compared to what it could have been. 2% more damage is pitiful for a proc.

[Zeherah]

considering that the averaging over time option gives and has always given bad results (in my opinion, i guess it just dramatically increases dot damage, which would explain why vishanka does so much higher dps with the option enabled) i personally run with the 410 arbalest (:

Averaging over time basically is what controls the vast majority of proc support (except for haste procs which are simulated in the rotation). Without it, those procs are simply ignored. It also ignores some cooldowns like call of the wild since those are averaged over time as well. It doesn't really give you useful dps data- the primary purpose of the option is so you can see what your stats are without the procs.

[Amorise]

The only way I could see Vishanka being better than a 410 weapon is if you were troll. That extra 1% crit is pretty nice and helps offset the penalty of using a lower ilvl weapon with no secondary stats. The proc is horribly weak compared to what it could have been. 2% more damage is pitiful for a proc.

For Survival, the spec doesn't gain a whole lot from a mere half tier of weapon DPS. The proc averaging about 2% DPS on the 403 would be worth about 650-700 DPS or so which is equal to slightly better tha what you would get from the 410 Arbalest, esp when half of the secondaries on the Arbalest are essentially useless. Arbalest is also a 2.9 speed which reduces its value in a way most don't notice as it causes the weapon to have slightly lower weapon damage and lessening the upgrade potential .1 can make a difference.

It's worth upgrading definitely for Marksmanship due to the amount of DPS they gain from upgrading weapons, even if half a tier, but Survival (Mast > Haste) would see better DPS with the 403.

[ihatepeople]

For Survival, the spec doesn't gain a whole lot from a mere half tier of weapon DPS. The proc averaging about 2% DPS on the 403 would be worth about 650-700 DPS or so which is equal to slightly better tha what you would get from the 410 Arbalest, esp when half of the secondaries on the Arbalest are essentially useless. Arbalest is also a 2.9 speed which reduces its value in a way most don't notice as it causes the weapon to have slightly lower weapon damage and lessening the upgrade potential .1 can make a difference.

It's worth upgrading definitely for Marksmanship due to the amount of DPS they gain from upgrading weapons, even if half a tier, but Survival (Mast > Haste) would see better DPS with the 403.

Yea that is true....I guess they would be about equal, I just found the Vishanka to be horribly underwhelming when I used it. But now that I snagged the heroic one I'll get another round with it. I had forgotten about the weakness of the stats on the Arbalest and the 2.9 speed, thanks for the reminder.

[eschatological]

This is why you should raid 10 mans. I have no such choices to make, the only other person who can even use an agility crossbow is our rogue, but I get first dibs on all of them even though they all cost DKP.

[ihatepeople]

This is why you should raid 10 mans. I have no such choices to make, the only other person who can even use an agility crossbow is our rogue, but I get first dibs on all of them even though they all cost DKP.

I've been the only raiding hunter in my guild since the beginning of Dragon Soul. Our other hunter main swapped to resto shaman because we knew hunters were gonnabe ass and we he was good as resto shaman (can never have too many good healers). We also only have one main spec feral druid, so my competition for hunter loot and staves is pretty much non-existant. You still want to find out what the best weapon, even though you can collect them all haha.