A big gap between theory and practice.

[vynka]

Hi, I'm trying to help a friend of mine that's struggling to improve his performance. He feels a little down, he's doing his best as the rest of us but just seem to not being able to pull as good numbers as other elemental shamans out there. Using our H Ultraxion kill in Epeen bot it shows he's at the 49th percentile, so it kinda confirmed his bad feelings. He has one of the best geared in the guild too (#5, says wow-heroes).

We're explored some logs and, aside from Wrath of Tarecgosa from others, it seems that his Fire Elemental Totem is not doing as much damage as others, we've been thinking of buying another Darkmoon Card: Volcano and stack Int procs, but Simcraft shows only a 8dps lose.

Also, simcraft shows that he 'should' be doing 5k+dps than he've done in the kill, while I was above the simcraft results.

Here's the armory link: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...haeru/advanced

Here's the Ultraxion Heroic Kill: http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-c2...?s=4228&e=4547

He just got yesterday the 397 chest piece, as we weren't able to kill Ultraxion Hero this week (a total disaster).

Here are the guild logs if you want to explore other wipes/kills: http://worldoflogs.com/guilds/165786/

I will channel criticism to him or, if necesary, I could make him post here if you need to ask questions.

[Ekkoeu]

He can change his Unleash Lightning Glyph to Lightning bolt as he won't be moving.

Not having Elemental Fire Totem up is a fairly large chunk of DPS loss.

Delaying EM till Fading Light is off you and making sure your flame shock has a greater duration of 15 seconds will stop you having to cast it at inappropriate moments.

Using instants : Unleash Elements / Earth shock before using ability.

From any dps perspective ; push the button at about 1.0-0.5 seconds.

I don't think his dps is really bad tbh, if he can tweak it around 35-36 I wouldn't think it was too bad for his gear.

EK

[Undefetter]

97.6% Uptime on FS could be higher

1 Lava Burst wasn't a crit, he only cast 36 in total. Over a 319 second fight, even with no Lava Surge procs, 36 casts means one every 8.78 seconds, with 8 second cool down and ~1.3 second cast, thats only 0.6 seconds short of only ever casting it as it comes off cooldown. Definitely needs more Lava Bursts

22 Fulmination Casts with a total of 101 Rolling Thunder charges gained, thats 4.6 charges (7.6 charges in total) per Fulmination, so yeah thats good.

>>> This is where his problem is. Only 41.5% Uptime on Totemic Wrath, meaning over half the fight he didnt have a Fire Totem down, and thats horrid. Did use Fire Elemental though. Not only is that like an 800dps loss on its own from the totem, but a 4% SP loss (I assume your Mage gave 6% spell power from Arcane Intellect hense only 4% not 10%). Thats a big DPS loss as well.

[Alltat]

While perhaps a bit off topic, your resto shaman is slacking badly in the damage department. Zero damage done on Ultraxion hc when you have a mage? There's no reason for that. Have him put down Searing Totem, use elementals, spec Telluric Currents, macro Flame Shock to Heroic Will, and stop using Healing Surge/Wave on a DPS race fight. He should easily be pulling 5k+ effective DPS on that fight while healing. See this thread.


You can look for ways to up your elemental shaman's damage a little bit if you want, but that'll be a few thousand more raid DPS at best. You can get 5k more raid DPS simply by telling your resto shaman not to slack, so I'd start there.

[Tharkash]

While perhaps a bit off topic, your resto shaman is slacking badly in the damage department. Zero damage done on Ultraxion hc when you have a mage? There's no reason for that. Have him put down Searing Totem, use elementals, spec Telluric Currents, macro Flame Shock to Heroic Will, and stop using Healing Surge/Wave on a DPS race fight. He should easily be pulling 5k+ effective DPS on that fight while healing. See this thread.


You can look for ways to up your elemental shaman's damage a little bit if you want, but that'll be a few thousand more raid DPS at best. You can get 5k more raid DPS simply by telling your resto shaman not to slack, so I'd start there.

Telling a healer to make up for slacking DPS isn't the answer at all as not all healers can effectively dps.

[Radux]

Telling a healer to make up for slacking DPS isn't the answer at all as not all healers can effectively dps.

well... considering that's how Resto Shaman effectively regen mana. Yeah. He can dps.

Especially since you can half-way coast through healing until the last part of the fight.

[Undefetter]

Telling a healer to make up for slacking DPS isn't the answer at all as not all healers can effectively dps.

A Resto Shaman can, and its part of their job. The point of a healer is to keep the raid alive long enough for the DPS to kill the boss. If they have the ability to reduce the time it takes the DPS to kill the boss as well? They should do it. Telluric Currents alone is pretty much required in modern progression raiding.

[Alltat]

Telling a healer to make up for slacking DPS isn't the answer at all as not all healers can effectively dps.

Which is why I pointed out the resto shaman in particular, who can do decent DPS while healing. Especially on that fight, where the holydin should be going red+blue and handling most of the healing for the first three minutes anyway.

Asking a healer to spend one GCD to do 700k damage is not really all that much to ask. Besides, the job of a healer is not to heal. The job of a healer is to do what it takes to kill the boss, same as everyone else. Most of the time that's best done by healing others so that they can deal damage, but if you can do both that and deal damage at the same time, then DPS falls under your job description. You can't just say "it's not my job" when the raid wipes on enrages, because you're just as dead as everyone else.

Face it: You're not wiping because your DPS are not doing enough damage. You're wiping because your total raid DPS is too low (of which the DPS is only one part - although a very large one). Any way you can improve that is a step closer to victory, including healer DPS and tank DPS.

[vynka]

97.6% Uptime on FS could be higher

1 Lava Burst wasn't a crit, he only cast 36 in total. Over a 319 second fight, even with no Lava Surge procs, 36 casts means one every 8.78 seconds, with 8 second cool down and ~1.3 second cast, thats only 0.6 seconds short of only ever casting it as it comes off cooldown. Definitely needs more Lava Bursts

22 Fulmination Casts with a total of 101 Rolling Thunder charges gained, thats 4.6 charges (7.6 charges in total) per Fulmination, so yeah thats good.

>>> This is where his problem is. Only 41.5% Uptime on Totemic Wrath, meaning over half the fight he didnt have a Fire Totem down, and thats horrid. Did use Fire Elemental though. Not only is that like an 800dps loss on its own from the totem, but a 4% SP loss (I assume your Mage gave 6% spell power from Arcane Intellect hense only 4% not 10%). Thats a big DPS loss as well.

We cannot figure out why he's lacking more Totemic Wrath uptime, but check the fire mage. his uptime on the buff is 89.3%

Seems to be something wrong about the buff tracking in worldoflogs :S

[woopytywoop]

Ultra logs won't notice every event with zoning in and out shadow realm.

If he places a totem while the one taking the log is in the different realm, it goes unnoticed.

He should make a log himself, because he is always in the same realm as he is (kinda logic )

[Undefetter]

Ultra logs won't notice every event with zoning in and out shadow realm.

If he places a totem while the one taking the log is in the different realm, it goes unnoticed.

He should make a log himself, because he is always in the same realm as he is (kinda logic )

That would explain the low uptime of the Mages Buff, but not the low uptime of Searing Totem. Your not in different realms to other people for over 50% of the fight.

[orderschvank]

can anyone tell me why i cant find this guys DPS on their logs.

i mean seriously, usually i just click on the boss attempt, and it shows everyone and their dps.

this time its not showing me crap, its annoying the hell out of me. screw your logs!


edit: found it.. he needs more haste.. and screw all of you who think that haste/mastery are exactly the same.. NO they are not, i dont care what you think, mastery does not let me use elementary mastery sooner.. mastery, does not make my flame shocks tick more.. and mastery does not make me a master at ele shamans.

i do more DPS than this guy, and my gear is worse, and my haste is almost at 3000

either im doing it wrong and just aint that bad of an ele shaman

or he is doing it right and just sucks at an ele shaman.

[Undefetter]

can anyone tell me why i cant find this guys DPS on their logs.

i mean seriously, usually i just click on the boss attempt, and it shows everyone and their dps.

this time its not showing me crap, its annoying the hell out of me. screw your logs!


edit: found it.. he needs more haste.. and screw all of you who think that haste/mastery are exactly the same.. NO they are not, i dont care what you think, mastery does not let me use elementary mastery sooner.. mastery, does not make my flame shocks tick more.. and mastery does not make me a master at ele shamans.

i do more DPS than this guy, and my gear is worse, and my haste is almost at 3000

either im doing it wrong and just aint that bad of an ele shaman

or he is doing it right and just sucks at an ele shaman.

Mastery supplies a higher uptime to your 4pt13 than Haste does, and with those insanely overkill levels of haste, your getting majorly deminished value from it because of hitting GCD cap hard during EM and BL phases, where as Mastery loses no benefit at all.

This guys simmed numbers came out as 3.8649 for Int, 4.6319 for Spirit/Hit, 2.0635 for Mastery, 1.8985 for Haste, 1.4594 for Crit, so actually he needs more Mastery, not more Haste.

His low numbers are from bad play, not bad gear, as can be seen from my post. You could massively increase your DPS in all likelihood if you simmed yourself and reforged/regemmed to fit the numbers (it may sim that your haste is what you should have, but I highly doubt that).

[orderschvank]

then hes just bad, i have less gear, and less mastery than him, but do more DPS

[Undefetter]

then hes just bad, i have less gear, and less mastery than him, but do more DPS

Indeed, his Flame Totem uptime, his Flame Shock uptime and most importantly his Lava Burst usage were all sub-par. Even if you ignore the Flame Totem uptime due to glitchy WoL (though his uptime was definitely not even close to 100%) his Lava Burst usage was poor.

[Blindlad]

We cannot figure out why he's lacking more Totemic Wrath uptime, but check the fire mage. his uptime on the buff is 89.3%

Seems to be something wrong about the buff tracking in worldoflogs :S

Pre-placed buffs before combat don't show up as uptime, worldoflogs actually needs a string of a buff application to start calculating uptime. So if he had a totem placed before the start of the fight - it would be providing Totemic Wrath, but won't count as uptime. Although that leaves the question of what was he doing with his fire totem - it wouldn't be attacking the boss whether it's searing/FE if place before combat.

[Darcam]

Just to mention a few things I didn't see anyone else mention...

He doesn't seems to use Volcanic Potions? He should pre-pot and another one later on in the fight... normally at hero/lust - but since you pop that from the beginning - he should just use it when other procs line up... he is monitoring his procs right - Power torrent / Lightweave? His Fire ele seems to have low DPS? He is dropping it when his procs line up right - and WoU is stacked as high as possible without the procs falling off?

[Alltat]

Pre-placed buffs before combat don't show up as uptime, worldoflogs actually needs a string of a buff application to start calculating uptime. So if he had a totem placed before the start of the fight - it would be providing Totemic Wrath, but won't count as uptime. Although that leaves the question of what was he doing with his fire totem - it wouldn't be attacking the boss whether it's searing/FE if place before combat.

As far as I know, if the first event for a buff is that it expires, it is assumed by WoL to have lasted up to that point. The only time that uptimes should be screwy because of precasting is if a buff was cast before combat and was refreshed before it ended for the whole fight, in which case it won't show up in the logs at all. You'll see it a lot with resto shamans and Earth Shield on Morchok, for example (refreshing it during each Black Blood ensures it never falls off).

[TDevine]

97.6% Uptime on FS could be higher

1 Lava Burst wasn't a crit, he only cast 36 in total. Over a 319 second fight, even with no Lava Surge procs, 36 casts means one every 8.78 seconds, with 8 second cool down and ~1.3 second cast, thats only 0.6 seconds short of only ever casting it as it comes off cooldown. Definitely needs more Lava Bursts

22 Fulmination Casts with a total of 101 Rolling Thunder charges gained, thats 4.6 charges (7.6 charges in total) per Fulmination, so yeah thats good.

>>> This is where his problem is. Only 41.5% Uptime on Totemic Wrath, meaning over half the fight he didnt have a Fire Totem down, and thats horrid. Did use Fire Elemental though. Not only is that like an 800dps loss on its own from the totem, but a 4% SP loss (I assume your Mage gave 6% spell power from Arcane Intellect hense only 4% not 10%). Thats a big DPS loss as well.

Is there an issue with with dropping your fire totem and losing Totemic Wrath? Because I had mine down 100% of the fight, but it shows on my logs that mine was only up 60% of the time. Do you have to redrop fire totem after Fading Light and Hour of Twilight?

[woopytywoop]

That would explain the low uptime of the Mages Buff, but not the low uptime of Searing Totem. Your not in different realms to other people for over 50% of the fight.

well if searing is placed while the one taking the log is in the other realm, it would explain it. Especially if you only refresh it once a min.

Check logs where someone fails over using the button at hour of twilight, you can't see that event because you are somewhere else. Same goes for placing totems. If the log is taken by a healer and they use heroic will at pull and shaman uses elemental, the whole damage of the elemental will go unnoticed.

it was mentioned in the other thread where resto's were discussing their dps at ultra.