The use of Heroic Strike and Slam

**Sephrius** · 2012-02-08, 01:03 PM

Lately I've been doing two different things using Heroic Strike on some fights more often than Slam or using Slam more and ignroing Heroic Strike unless I have too much rage. Anyway do you think its acceptable when your gear improves around 397-400 to Heroic Strike more often than Slam? Reason why ask I'm thinking that Heroic Strike starts scaling better as gear improves

**Lohe** · 2012-02-08, 04:32 PM

You should ignore Heroic Strike unless you have too much rage, it does not outscale Slam at higher gear levels.

**L Kebess** · 2012-02-08, 04:45 PM

I don't understand why people keep bringing up this question. Why chose between one of these two, when they are both on 2 completely separate rotations ?
It's really simple in fact, if you have the rage go ahead and hit your HS button, if you don't, then don't hit HS. It's as simple as that.

---------- Post added 2012-02-08 at 05:51 PM ----------

If you ever have to delay a GCD spell because you used HS in stead, then you're doing it wrong.

**Sherea** · 2012-02-08, 04:53 PM

Anyway do you think its acceptable when your gear improves around 397-400 to Heroic Strike more often than Slam? Reason why ask I'm thinking that Heroic Strike starts scaling better as gear improves

So essentially you're saying Slam doesn't improve and is a static given factor? Good, we could all resign to this idea now

**Burchoid** · 2012-02-08, 05:19 PM

Originally Posted by Sephrius

Lately I've been doing two different things using Heroic Strike on some fights more often than Slam or using Slam more and ignroing Heroic Strike unless I have too much rage. Anyway do you think its acceptable when your gear improves around 397-400 to Heroic Strike more often than Slam? Reason why ask I'm thinking that Heroic Strike starts scaling better as gear improves

You should never be picking between the two. ALWAYS use slam as part of your rotation, and lay heroic strikes on top of your current rotation when over 70 rage. Not much more to it than that.

**Sherea** · 2012-02-08, 05:32 PM

Why does your face look the same as the guy who posted above me?

**Namso** · 2012-02-08, 06:18 PM

That's actually funny because I noticed the exact same thing.

OT: Heroic Strike is off the global cooldown, meaning you use it on top of the standard rotation given sufficient rage levels. Unless your under Deadly Calm you spam it for the duration, otherwise 65+ rage.

**L Kebess** · 2012-02-08, 06:21 PM

Well that guy has a name, and why this silly question anyways ? ; )

**Sentientsix** · 2012-02-09, 01:42 AM

Slam costs 20ish rage (in total) - HS costs 20 rage with IR + 2p.

My average slam hit/crit is 25k-27k/60k-62k respectively
My average HS hit/crit is 15k-17k/35k-37k respectively

YOU CANNOY DENY THOSE NUMBERS! Just look for the guy with the shitty helm... :P

Use both, when appropriate and watch your rage - I recommend swing timer, definitely.

**Crazyquad** · 2012-02-09, 01:54 AM

Seph i recommend that once you get you swing timer find a addon that will tell you when you are at a certain rage level (65+ or 70 + depending on you preferance) there are plenty out there and then practise on a tgt dummy till you get the hang of it, timing HS and slams right is often the difference between a good arms warr and a great one

**Butterland** · 2012-02-09, 08:11 AM

Do you have a free GCD ?
Yes -> Use Slam
No -> Don't use Slam

Do you have a lot of rage ?
Yes -> Use Heroic Strike
No -> Don't use Heroic Strike

Those questions aren't even related.

**JohnnyBravoEU** · 2012-02-12, 06:59 AM

I usually use spam, in a pve rotation, i can manage to get in 2 slams between the other CDs, and if i have alot of rage i also slap in a heroic strike, while Slam is "Casting".

**Bigbazz** · 2012-02-12, 01:01 PM

I play as fury, but when I have played with high class and high damage arms warriors in the LFR they have always, always had heroic strike damage higher than slam, in some cases higher than overpower but never higher than mortal strike, most of these guys would have been ranked on those occasions. When I did testing on the dummy (with 2set) for arms, my dps increased when I dropped slam while the 2 set was active and instead used heroic strike, a noticeable easy to see dps difference with testing. All of the arms warriors doing less than their gear would suggest would have 1. Slam too high. 2 Overpower too high. 3. heroic strike too high while mortal strike being too low. But in every situation with an arms warrior with MS on top of his damage and either heroic strike or overpower second (with either being 3rd) on his damage, the player has extracted great damage from his gear.

I only use the Landsoul sheet and it doesn't do Arms this time around, and since I don't play Arms I dont have much interest in simcraft, but there is definitely something to the question of either slam or heroic strike.

**meteo** · 2012-02-12, 02:28 PM

There is a debate about this and it isn't clear yet what is better

And I wouldn't say that the abilities got to be ranked in one specific way because it can change easily depending on the fight. I've had ultraxion kills with heroic strike being my highest damage ability due to the high rage income (and some laughable 5% crit on ms... rng is a bitch

).

But you're right if everything works as intended MS should be the highest damage ability.

b2t: until someone can provide me with a solid logic that not using slam during the duration of the 2 pc bonus is better than using slam and some hs with it (obviously less than I would have done when saving the rage from slam), I'll just keep slamming and HSing whenever appropriate

**maxalyss** · 2012-02-12, 02:39 PM

Have any of you got the 2 piece yet? Have you read what the 2 piece does? Read it and you will know when to use heroic strike.

**Lohe** · 2012-02-13, 01:29 AM

Originally Posted by Bigbazz

When I did testing on the dummy (with 2set) for arms, my dps increased when I dropped slam while the 2 set was active and instead used heroic strike, a noticeable easy to see dps difference with testing

Whether Slam or HS is better is easy math (which I've posted on these forums before), if you produce higher numbers while prioing HS over Slam during IR it is a result of RNG.

**L Kebess** · 2012-02-13, 04:30 PM

Originally Posted by maxalyss

Have any of you got the 2 piece yet? Have you read what the 2 piece does? Read it and you will know when to use heroic strike.

What does this supposed to mean ? You aren't answering anything. What are you saying exactly ?

**Moora** · 2012-02-13, 04:35 PM

Enchant/Gem Bonuses

+1822 Stamina

+500 Mastery Rating

+250 Armour

+175 Dodge Rating

+165 Parry Rating

Why bother.

**L Kebess** · 2012-02-14, 02:40 PM

Originally Posted by Moora

Enchant/Gem Bonuses

+1822 Stamina

+500 Mastery Rating

+250 Armour

+175 Dodge Rating

+165 Parry Rating

Why bother.

Hum, things are getting pretty meaningless. I hope you aren't suggesting I shouldn't be interested in Arms because my main spec is Prot, 'cause that would be a really really silly suggestion.

**meteo** · 2012-02-14, 04:28 PM

OT:
Kebess: you're not CTC capped. missing 0.3%

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