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    Quote Originally Posted by Mif View Post
    Psychologists say you can't be addicted to something that isn't altering your chemistry (like drug addiction), thus being addicted to games or TV is classified as a compulsion not an addiction.
    Unless those games or TV cause the release of excess endorphines, then you can be addicted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blznsmri View Post
    Unless those games or TV cause the release of excess endorphines, then you can be addicted.
    Not sure you can be "addicted" to endorphines, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mif View Post
    Psychologists say you can't be addicted to something that isn't altering your chemistry (like drug addiction), thus being addicted to games or TV is classified as a compulsion not an addiction.
    (That's why I used the TV example :P)

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    So wait in 2 and a half hours the number of votes for GW2 has gone from 700 to 1474? are you allowed to vote twice or did @GuildWars2 tweet this poll as well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeek Daniels View Post
    are you allowed to vote twice or did @GuildWars2 tweet this poll as well?
    Nope and nope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeek Daniels View Post
    So wait in 2 and a half hours the number of votes for GW2 has gone from 700 to 1474? are you allowed to vote twice or did @GuildWars2 tweet this poll as well?
    I tried seems to be ip blocked or something. Voted for both GW2 and TSW ... like the story in TSW, but not sure I want to subscribe another unproven MMO. Maybe just try it for the first month.

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    Ah I just noticed a similar thread on Guru, Damn chem class

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mif View Post
    Nope and nope.
    Actually yes and nope ;]. Well.. you are not allowed to.. but there are technical ways to do that :O. Uhm.. I shouldn't go there now, should I ;p.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Borzo View Post
    Not sure you can be "addicted" to endorphines, though.
    You can get addicted to the high that it brings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Borzo View Post
    Not sure you can be "addicted" to endorphines, though.
    You can't unless you consider everyone that has fun or enjoys something an 'addict'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blznsmri View Post
    You can get addicted to the high that it brings.
    Well that's like being addicted to "fun" as Mal says. I think that's a built in feature of the human condition... not what most doctors would call an "addiction".

    Having fun doesn't change your brain chemistry in "unintended" ways. Shooting heroin or snorting cocaine on the other hand....

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    technically in neuropsychology anything you do alters chemicals within the body... neurophysiology and neurobiology is effected by everything we do, dopamine is released whenever your brain is telling your body "good job" for an action it just did... such as eatting, sex (masturbating), or even simple things like scratching an itch or watching TV/playing a video game... drugs just create replacement catecholamines (natural "drugs" ex: dopamine, norephinephrin, serotonin)

    so actually you can be addicted to video games, because it is expected to cause pleasure. compulsion is an urge to do something even when there is no beneficial outcome, hence people with obsessive compulsive disorder will do things like walk in and out of a room multiple times before finally entering the room... or locking and unlocking doors...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Wokoom View Post
    technically in neuropsychology anything you do alters chemicals within the body... neurophysiology and neurobiology is effected by everything we do, dopamine is released whenever your brain is telling your body "good job" for an action it just did... such as eatting, sex (masturbating), or even simple things like scratching and itch or watching TV/playing a video game... drugs just create replacement catecholamines (natural "drugs" ex: dopamine, norephinephrin, serotonin)

    so actually you can be addicted to video games, because it is expected to cause pleasure. compulsion is an urge to do something even when there is no beneficial outcome, hence people with obsessive compulsive disorder will do things like walk in and out of a room multiple times before finally entering the room... or locking and unlocking doors...
    Yeah but by that definition, every learned behavior is an addiction... ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Wokoom View Post
    technically in neuropsychology anything you do alters chemicals within the body... neurophysiology and neurobiology is effected by everything we do, dopamine is released whenever your brain is telling your body "good job" for an action it just did... such as eatting, sex (masturbating), or even simple things like scratching and itch or watching TV/playing a video game... drugs just create replacement catecholamines (natural "drugs" ex: dopamine, norephinephrin, serotonin)

    so actually you can be addicted to video games, because it is expected to cause pleasure. compulsion is an urge to do something even when there is no beneficial outcome, hence people with obsessive compulsive disorder will do things like walk in and out of a room multiple times before finally entering the room... or locking and unlocking doors...
    Then there is the matter of physical dependency. People that claim to be addicted to video games or TV usually don't have another way to induce to production of those natural chemicals in the human body, so they plug into one way of getting that production and ignore everything else. I don't believe that's addiction because those people just need another way to have 'fun' or 'enjoyment' not video games or tv exclusively.

    Nicotine is easy to obtain by smoking, and people smoke because they depend on the chemical. It's why nicotine patches work. They give an alternate way of providing that chemical without being harmful.

    I believe if your body naturally produces something that is the result of something required to exist (sex, eating) it can't be addictive, it's a requirement to life.
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    This is why we can't have threads in GW2 forum

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    Quote Originally Posted by Borzo View Post
    Yeah but by that definition, every learned behavior is an addiction... ?
    Depends on the reaction of chemicals in the body... if for whatever reason, let just say, your brain releases a large amount of dopamine for brushing your teeth... lets just say you will have really clean teeth! people get addicted to their phones this way... the ability to constantly have a flow of "good feelings" by constant texting, facebooking, playing Angry Birds (or other aps.) people get custom to this constant flow, doesn't even need to be a big push of "good feelings" (as seen in nicotine or other drugs)... most people who are addicted to TV, video games, their phones, or other things like this are just use to the constant steady stream of dopamine provided by taking part in these activities... so when that constant flow is not currently streaming through the brain they feel the with-draw! which means addiction!!!

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    This is why we can't have threads in GW2 forum

    LOL, sorry Zito....

    In short, GW2 is going to be awesome!!! vote for it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Wokoom View Post
    Depends on the reaction of chemicals in the body... if for whatever reason, let just say, your brain releases a large amount of dopamine for brushing your teeth... lets just say you will have really clean teeth! people get addicted to their phones this way... the ability to constantly have a flow of "good feelings" by constant texting, facebooking, playing Angry Birds (or other aps.) people get custom to this constant flow, doesn't even need to be a big push of "good feelings" (as seen in nicotine or other drugs)... most people who are addicted to TV, video games, their phones, or other things like this are just use to the constant steady stream of dopamine provided by taking part in these activities... so when that constant flow is not currently streaming through the brain they feel the with-draw! which means addiction!!!
    I dunno... by that definition all human behavior is based on addiction.

    2nd question: Are human beings "addicted" to food?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Borzo View Post
    I dunno... by that definition all human behavior is based on addiction.

    2nd question: Are human beings "addicted" to food?
    Yeah, technically we have withdrawl from food too, it's called hunger. (rolls eyes)

    And breathing, called suffocation.

    and having fun, it's called boredom.

    EDIT - sorry about the tangent. I made a thread about this exact subject when I first started on this site. It's a topic I'm passionate about, and I can't help but state my mind about such things. Sorry about going so off-topic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Borzo View Post
    I dunno... by that definition all human behavior is based on addiction.

    2nd question: Are human beings "addicted" to food?
    Yep, Humans have a higher cognitive... or else this behavior is called instinct! welcome to cognitive neuroscience!

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    Voted for GW2 and Wildstar. What can I say, that trailer got me.

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