RF and repotting on Ultraxion HC?

[Dranged]

What's the most efficient way of dealing with that in your opinion? We pop hero right after pull and have the healers go out so they can get their own hero at the later part of the fight. Our fights last long enough that I can squeeze out a 2nd RF, but only if I pop the first one during heroism, which brings cobra shot way below the GCD.

[Herecius]

Pop the first RF during heroism if it means being able to pop it a second time later. Getting under the GCD isn't ideal, but two RFs is still better than 1!

[jbelig]

We're sending the healers out around 10 secs into the fight and then hero, so I'm using RF right at the start. A few secs fall on heroism, but I found that if I use it after it ends I might not have time to use the full duration again at the end.

EDIT: And what Herecius said if you keep doing hero from the beginning

[TJ]

Pop the first RF during heroism if it means being able to pop it a second time later. Getting under the GCD isn't ideal, but two RFs is still better than 1!

Pretty much, prepot and use rf with hero, and save the second pot for the second rf and cotw combo.

[Zergal]

I usually pop it after the first Hour of twillight along with my second COTW and Pot since we lust at the pull. I raid 10man so we kill the boss way under the 5 minutes mark at this point so i have no way to pop 2 either way :/.

[Deepfriedegg]

If you can use two full RF´s then do it at the beginning. Actually I do it 3-4 seconds into the fight after I use HM, Serpent Sting, Explosive shot and Black Arrow. After that it is completely random due to LnL or Thrill of the Hunt procs.

If you can only have one RF then you really want to time it up with Kiril proc (probably with the second one).

[timoseewho]

If your fights are long enough to squeeze in 2 RF's, yea, use the first with the lust/warp, and the second with your potion, and perhaps CotW.

[mythas]

Under this scenario with hero at the start (healers out), if you've got velocity's haste from Starchaser and chronohunter's haste from 4-pc, would you wait until their procs are done to hit RF? (Alternatively, would you use regular matrix instead of Starchaser? FD sims it slightly lower, but that's with the procs averaged over the fight.)

[Drakoes]

I pop it right at the start because most of our kills on 25HC tend to range from 5:20 to 5:30. 2 RFs ftw.

[Leinho]

Under this scenario with hero at the start (healers out), if you've got velocity's haste from Starchaser and chronohunter's haste from 4-pc, would you wait until their procs are done to hit RF? (Alternatively, would you use regular matrix instead of Starchaser? FD sims it slightly lower, but that's with the procs averaged over the fight.)

I’ve been having haste issues as well. We pop heroism at the start (healers fade out) and I also have Starcatcher compass and my 4-set T13. This already puts me below the 1 sec GCD for Cobra Shot. Adding Rapid Fire to that would be such a dps loss, so I normally wait with popping Rapid Fire.

That does however mean I’m missing out on 2 Rapid Fires during the fight, since we kill him in 5-minute-something depending on dps that night.

Last time I swapped out Starcatcher for Matrix (iLvl 384). That’s over 50 less agi, but it usually procs crit (it almost always procs before I’ve fired my first Arcane Shot), which is a lot more valuable than shitloads more haste. I then do pop RF, so I can use it twice during the fight. It felt a lot smoother, but not sure if my dps was actually better. It couldn’t really compare dps since we had different group setup and kill time.

[Deepfriedegg]

If one of your Trinket is Starcatcher compass, it MAY also be beneficial to swap it with Kiroptyric Sigil. Compass would proc at the beginning where you already typically will have Hero so it could be nice DMG increase to rather combine Sigil with Hero+T134pc and then with Rapid Fire+Hero. Together with pot you are looking at over additional 4000 AGI spread out into two high haste "procs" with CoS close to GCD

[mythas]

If one of your Trinket is Starcatcher compass, it MAY also be beneficial to swap it with Kiroptyric Sigil.

That's an interesting thought. You'd pop it at start, then 3 more times, the last one lining up nicely with RF being off CD, if I'm figuring it right:
:1-:15
1:45 - 2.0
3:30 - 3:45
5:15 -5:30

I'm not good enough at math to discern if that's better than the passive AG of either the Compass or regular Matrix with their procs, but the GCD sure can't come close to keeping up at the start as it is.

I've also considered going out with the healers, using RF with the compass/4pc proc (which still puts CoS under the gcd), then taking the last hero and popping the 2nd RF.

I did half the pulls last night in Matrix and half in the Compass. But none trying the Sigil. Best attempts were 5:30; we gotta scoop up every last ounce of dps off the floor that we can. Thanks for the suggestion.

[kpowell03]

this fight dies so quickly now with the nerf and all, we didnt even use hero...

[Nikoangel]

Use RF at the top to get the 2nd RF in, which then becomes the ideal time to get the 2nd potion in. Not the end of the world if CS drops blow GCD, your autoshot will continue to benefit with no lower limit. With RF, hero, T13 proc, and a trinket haste proc you can get your autoshot below 1 second, which is a major dps increase just in itself. Also, stacking RF with hero is a big increase in focus regen. You should be firing a lot more arcanes and less cobras then anyways, which further mitigates the concern your cobra is below GCD.

[Kerbaroth]

since the 5% nerf we never hit the 5:00 mark or just barely so i changed to prepot with heroism and a "pre cotw" and the cotw from my real pet + rf + pot in the execute phase or when i feel like it

[Speedlance]

With RF, heroism + 4 set bonus etc, you will have a lot of focus, so you'll be spamming arcanes for the most part lol so don't worry about cast time on cobra :P

[Ril-gania]

a. i wish people would stop thinking that popping RF on top of a heap of other haste buffs including ancient hysteria is a dps loss. it is not unless you can cast it only once during the fight no matter what and find a better moment to stack RF with your procs (which come at the start too). more haste always nets more dps. especially if it means that you get to cast RF a second time during the fight, which you wouldn't do when waiting 40secs or at least 20 until all proccs have expired.

b. having a sh*tload of haste means that your focus rec is high. very high. you might want to cast a CS in order to refresh srs eventually, but that should be it. it is good for your dps to spam arcane shots. and don't forget your pet which is going mad during this time too.

c. 2 RF > 1 RF. yes, really.

[Taks]

Pop the first RF during heroism if it means being able to pop it a second time later. Getting under the GCD isn't ideal, but two RFs is still better than 1!

what he said.