Heroic Ultraxion 10-Man Questions

[xagonyx]

Hi, my group is starting to raid again, so far we cleared Heroic Morchok, Heroic Yorsajh and wiped on 30% Heroic Zon'ozz. Everyone is in 392-400 ilvl, so we decided to give some tries to Heroic Ultraxion post-nerf. We learned the fight in about 2-3 hours using 3 healers, but i prefer to use only two to score a kill. We're having problems on the last push, i'm thinking about healing problems and bad crystals choices, and maybe low dps, we have two new people on the group, a fire mage 398 pulling 28-32k and a destruction warlock 397 with 30-32k.
My group composition is:

Feral Tank> 20-22k DPS
Prot Warrior> 15-18k DPS
Resto Shaman
Holy Paladin
Combat Rogue> 32-34k
Survival Hunter> 34k-36k
Frost DK> 32-33kk
Fire Mage> 28-32k
Destro Lock> 30-32k
Balance Druid> 26-30k (His main specc is Restoration and shares some items with Boomkin)

We have no problems with Hour of Twilight rotations, but just FYI:

0:45 Prot Warrior + Frost DK l Shield Wall + IF/AMS
1:30 Feral Tank + Survival Hunter l Survival Instincts + Deterrance
2:15 Fire Mage + Combat Rogur l Cauterize + Cloak of Shadows

3:00 Prot Warrior + Frost DK l Shield Wall + IF/AMS
3:45 Feral Tank + Survival Hunter l Survival Instincts + Deterrance
4:30 Fire Mage + Combat Rogur l Cauterize + Cloak of Shadows

5:15 Prot Warrior + Frost DK l Shield Wall + IF/AMS
6:00 Instawipe

As for the healers:
Resto Shaman> Red Crystal
Holy Paladin> Blue and Green Crystal

We're using Bloodlust at the pull with the healers using Heroic Will, we use a second Bloodlust for them after the 6th Hour of Twilight (4:30).

My question is... what i am doing wrong? The time for healer's bloodlust? My dps'ers are too low?

[Joyful]

If you are hitting the enrage its because of low dps, if you are dying before that its because of poor cd usage and/or bad healing, the crystal assignment is good.

[xagonyx]

Maybe BL at 5:00? Using my bear 4-piece set (unglyphed) with aura mastery and spirit link totem?

[Joyful]

aura mastery dont work as the damage is unresistible, but both tanks 4set and spirit link should be used, try and use BL as late as possible, if you are hitting enrage use BL 40 sec before the fight ends. People should use personal cooldowns as long as it don't lower their dps.

[Curley079]

Your theorycrafting and tactics seem solid. It simply comes down to the fact that your dps is not high enough. I have killed ultraxion hc many times without hitting the enrage, I was actually unaware that it was possible to survive that long in 10 man but nevermind. Your 398 firemage pulling 28-32k even without DI (which I would assume he has) is simply not good enough. You are a good 30k raid dps off a kill so I would have your members theorycraft etc and try to reduce that deficit the best they can, while still gearing up. Good luck in the future.

[newfiex]

Make sure everyone is prepotting/using a second potion during fight. Tell the Mage to go arcane , and to put Focus Magic on the Warlock, and the Warlock to DI the Boomkin. Make sure there's spell pushback protection. Your first bloodlust is fine. The second bloodlust should be around the 4:50 -5 min mark. Collect Loot.

[4dahorde]

If your holy pally is good enough, have them solo heal 90% of it. I have read/heard of a holy pally being able to solo heal the entire encounter.

Our Holy pally mostly does this, im normally a holy priest, I go disc for this fight and spam holy fire/smite until about the 4:30 mark for the extra dps, then start to help heal. We kill this fight shortly before the 5:00 mark.

Not sure if you have access to a disc priest, but this is one way to approach the fight if your dps is low.

[newfiex]

BTW your healers are awesome to keep you guys alive until the 6 min mark.

[Desdonde]

That destro lock should be going demo, not only is it much higher DPS since you are sitting in one place, but 4% extra spellpower.

Those DPS numbers from the Fire Mage and Lock (even if he is destro) seem way too low, any chance you have some logs? I can at least help push the Warlock in the correct direction, don't know much about mages though

[RavenGage]

With that DPS you'll have to go all the way to enrage in order to kill him, your healer lust should be at 5:00 not 4:30. However you should be lasting all the way to enrage with that heal comp. Imo change crystals around, Shaman is perfectly fine with green so let the pally take red. Not only will it let the Shaman conserve some mana for the last minute of the fight but it'll let him DPS more early on.

Do your healers have Avenging Wrath, Divine Favor, Volcanic Potions and Shaman 4pc going into the last minute?
Is your Shaman at or near 100k mana or higher going into the last minute?
Is your Pally using HR and nothing but HR in the last minute?
Is your Pally alternating HR's casts on multiple people?
Are you rotating all raid CDs in the last minute?

The answer to all of those must be yes. If any of them are a "no" then your healers need to work better. Again, let pally take red.

Also your fire mage's numbers are very bad, and your lock's are fairly bad. Some big room for improvement there.

[healzforu]

We use 2 healers myself a holy pally and a priest. you really need 2 to make sure you dont hit the enrage timer, not sure how good your healers are but if you can't 2 heal it then u need more dps to go 3 heals. i think are lowest dps is 35-36k dps if im not mistaken.

As for the buffs your doing it right, i generally take green/blue and disc priest takes red.

[Thaendra]

We use 2 healers myself a holy pally and a priest. you really need 2 to make sure you dont hit the enrage timer, not sure how good your healers are but if you can't 2 heal it then u need more dps to go 3 heals.

This is pretty much correct. With your DPS you're going to either 2 heal it and come close or 1 heal it. There's going to need to be a buttload more DPS to 3 heal it.

[xagonyx]

Hi again, and thanks to everyone who replied in this post. We were using Resistance Aura, didn't know that the damage was unresistable, gonna change to Concentration instead. We're all prepoting on pull (using BL ofcourse), and using the second pot after the 6th Hour of Twilight. The last tries were better, all dps'ers pulled 2k more at least, i'm gonna use BL at 5:00 because we can kill him before the enrage, about 15-20 seconds. Getting a third healer is not an option because our SP with legendary staff can't play until the next week, so i need everyone to pull about 38k DPS, and obviously we're way to far from that. RavenGage, yep, i got the same feeling about it, healers need to do it better, i'm gonna play with crystal priorities too. Thanks for the answers, sorry for not posting logs, i'm playing in another computer and i can't record them.

[Phixio]

We killed hc ultraxion couple days ago. Tank were crying that dps aint enough even when everyone did 32-40k dps and we died when boss had 30m to lack of healing.
We all exept tank realized problem was healing but after 2 hours of trying we managed to kill ultraxion when healers had trained it little bit. Easy fight overall and i think you will down it when your healers got some experience from it.

[santa666]

Like mentioned, dps is pretty low for mage and lock specially.
Feels like i've said this a hundred times, but lets go again

Both tanks need todo ALOT more dps (prot warrior should do 25k without breaking a sweat) have him gear around 78% ctc, usually by taking 2 dps trinkets.
Get bigwigs for everyone and when the voice reaches '1' on the countdown for fading light, you push heroic will and you should shave down Seconds stayin inside, which will be huge dps increase.

[Tinsoul]

I've seen various logs for this fight, and the lowest raid dps I've seen successfully down him (with the buff) was 235k. With the numbers in the original post, that would mean everyone hitting their top end.

Wanted to echo the suggestion of having the warlock go demonology. The additional 4% SP will help both healing and dps.

[Mcshiz]

Like mentioned, dps is pretty low for mage and lock specially.
Feels like i've said this a hundred times, but lets go again

Both tanks need todo ALOT more dps (prot warrior should do 25k without breaking a sweat) have him gear around 78% ctc, usually by taking 2 dps trinkets.
Get bigwigs for everyone and when the voice reaches '1' on the countdown for fading light, you push heroic will and you should shave down Seconds stayin inside, which will be huge dps increase.

Take this with a grain of salt but the avg. prot warrior dps on raidbots is 16k. I agree this is low but i mean avg is avg. Ferals avg is ~20.5k.

[Forgettable]

Not sure if this is possible for your raid group, but I would suggest having your DK go Blood, and your warrior or bear go dps. Have the DK wear all dps gear with a 2H and 1 tank trinket. That's what I do on my DK for this fight, and I pull 33k dps. And my tank gear is 386 ilvl because it's my off spec.

[T Man]

would it not be better healing to give pala red + blue? or is your plan to keep red up full time as I never understood what the green did for paladins.

[Loonija]

We killed hc ultraxion couple days ago. Tank were crying that dps aint enough even when everyone did 32-40k dps and we died when boss had 30m to lack of healing.
We all exept tank realized problem was healing but after 2 hours of trying we managed to kill ultraxion when healers had trained it little bit. Easy fight overall and i think you will down it when your healers got some experience from it.

ARE U F********* kidding us? These two healers are healing to 6:00 min. There is NO NEED to improve the healer. READ, THINK ABOUT and after post omfg.