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    Fire DPS Tooo low!!!!

    Hi all, i want to know why our fire mage is not performing as he has to be. He allways said "couse i dont crit" but i want to know if that is true or of he is not pressing the right buttons at the right time.

    Here is this week H Ultraxion WoL
    worldoflogs.com/reports/9e7bzb05iujgq9dv/details/34/?s=8463&e=8785

    And here is his armory (us armory)
    character/ragnaros/monsita/advanced

    Ty all for your help!!!

    PS: I cant put links on my comments =( (to few post)

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    First, tell your lock to play Demo for the %10 spell power buff. Though gear has some holes.

    - He's gem'd for haste! WTF? His yellows should gem for Crit!
    - Too much haste, should reforge from 1868 down to as close to 1506 as possible, picking up crit in the process. He can use this reforging to pick up more crit: http://www.wowreforge.com/US/Ragnaro...3030--------40
    - Should pick up the VP wand.
    - Why doesn't he have the 403 gloves from Spine yet?
    - Or the Yorsahj trinket?
    - Or an epic gem in his flowform choker? (it's BiS)
    - And I sure hope he's working on a Legendary Staff every week...you'll need it on spine
    - Switching the boot enchant to hit may help pick up more crit as well.

    Now lets compare him to the #200 DPS on WoL (comparing to #1 is usually just an RNG god): http://raidbots.com/comparebot/4f3601c14b1cfba44800065d

    - He didn't use any volcanic potions, #200 used 2
    - He is correct that he's not crit'ing that much, %36 versus %50

    2 DPS potions is big. Though overall, he seems to be casting the correct spells the correct amount of times, they're just not hitting as hard (partly from his gearing, see above). Though we can't tell whether he's screwing something else up in the rotation.

    So we'll look at his rotation a little more closely: http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/9...pe%3DTYPE_CAST

    Ah! His opening is all wrong... even depending on how you pull Ultraxion. If you stand at the back of the platform and run up to him, he should be openning with a hard cast pyroblast. If you stand at the front of the platform and watch the DBM timer, he can cast Mirror Images, then Flame Orb, before the timer hits zero, then immediately scorch one time once the boss becomes hittable to apply the critical mass debuff (%5 increased spell critical strike!). The warlock won't apply Shadow and Flame (the same debuff) for many critical seconds into the pull. Other things:

    - He had 14 hot streak procs, only used 12, so he missed 2.
    - He's messing up combustion in the following ways:
    -- Doesn't have the pyroblast DoT up
    -- Isn't using it with his troll berserking (should be macro'd together for truely rediculous number of ticks during bloodlust)

    He did use Heroic Will 13 times during the fight, that seems a bit excessive. The warlock only used it 7 times, so either he's really unlucky, or he doesn't understand how the fight works.

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    There are a few things I don't agree with on the previous post and some that I do.

    Things I don't:
    1) 1868 isn't too much haste. Any haste haste above 1505 is personal preference and I see a lot of mages going with the 1750-1850 haste range. I say it's personal preference because some people feel 1505 is just too slow cast speed and don't always want to wait for the full 10 stacks of stolen time to get the extra tick on their first combustion
    2) Gems beings haste. Again if you are at the haste you like and want to reforge from haste to crit then do it. Best thing to do for all your gear is just optimize it in RAWR.
    3) Get VP neck that is our BiS and not Flowform Choker.
    4) Boot enchants are more of a personal preference again. Secondary stats are obviously worth more, but you can't put a number on increased run speed. Lavawalker is not as good as hit on Ultra, but unless you are going to change enchants on a per boss basis I would stick with Lavawalker.
    5) Pyro dot is not critical for combustion. It is more of an added bonus. Never give up a big ignite just because there is no Pyro dot. I set a 20k threshold on ignite before combusting not caring if I have Pyro dot up.
    6) It is possible to miss an instant Pyro if your last FB crit giving you Hot Streak and then LB crits giving it to you again. This is usually why people ask if they should stop casting to cast instant Pyro. It's been calculated you are better off missing the instant Pyro and finishing your cast.

    Things I do agree with:
    1) Hopefully he is trying to get VP wand, Spine gloves, and Yor'sajh trinket because those are his BiS
    2) Everything he found in the logs I agree with.
    3) Volcanic pots are huge. I run an addon just to make sure people are using them.

    Biggest thing to work on is Combustion. It is our hardest hitting spell and will shoot him up the meters. He had a low 13k combustion. That should be closer to 19k+ at least. The warlock change will give you an extra 4% SP beings the mage already brings 6%.

    I hope this helps and good luck!

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    Ty for ur help!!!

    any other commenst?

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    - Or an epic gem in his flowform choker? (it's BiS)
    no it's not

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    Ti'tahk is a horribly underpowered weapon. The loss of stats hurts all the way into your soul. Anything is better than that staff (even a Rathrak + 378 Off-hand would serve him better).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tenchinage View Post
    - Why doesn't he have the 403 gloves from Spine yet?
    - Or the Yorsahj trinket?
    Rest of your reply seems fine (though, not 100% sure about the neck), but these points are just silly. Mainly in the way that you state 'em.
    You're making it sound like those items drop all the time, which really isn't the case.
    Using my 10-man guild for example, we've killed spine every single week, and still didn't get the gloves to drop. The trinket dropped once on normal and once on heroic.

    It would've been better if you stated it like ''He should be aiming to get the gloves off Spine/trinket off Yor'sahj''

    Quote Originally Posted by Tenchinage View Post
    - And I sure hope he's working on a Legendary Staff every week...you'll need it on spine
    Might've been needed before the nerf, but I kinda doubt having as many legendaries as possibly is a requirement, nowadays.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Exiled Legion View Post
    4) Boot enchants are more of a personal preference again. Secondary stats are obviously worth more, but you can't put a number on increased run speed. Lavawalker is not as good as hit on Ultra, but unless you are going to change enchants on a per boss basis I would stick with Lavawalker.
    Well on Ultraxion you can. The number for run speed on that fight is 0.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Exiled Legion View Post
    3) Volcanic pots are huge. I run an addon just to make sure people are using them.
    Interesting.. just on a side-note, what addon does that?
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    lavawalker is pretty much useless on a mage but best enchant seems to be +50 hit.. others can argue 65 mastery but that really depends on ur gear setup.

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    You can also run with +50 haste on your boots. I find using blink gets me anywhere faster, so I run with haste.
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    yes you can run with haste on boots but it make only sense if you are not geared that well, or you want to reach another haste plateau. lavawalker is more a overall choice, ofc hit is the best choice if you are not capped

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alyngwen View Post
    Interesting.. just on a side-note, what addon does that?
    Sorry, just got back from vacation. curse.com/addons/wow/phoenixstyle

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    - Why doesn't he have the 403 gloves from Spine yet?
    - Or the Yorsahj trinket?
    maybe cause his RNG with getting gear to drop is as poor as RNG for critical strikes? 36% vs 50% is the entire crux of the difference between 30k dps and 46k dps. Critting 50% is going to mean more ignite uptime, more opportunities for hot streak, and ofc, more direct damage.
    He did use Heroic Will 13 times during the fight, that seems a bit excessive. The warlock only used it 7 times, so either he's really unlucky, or he doesn't understand how the fight works.
    You can't make that statement, that it was excessive, he arguably used it as needed... You need to realise that RNG is an enormously deciding factor with fire mages. the weaker combustions and occasional missed hot streak (probably a result of a hot streak procing immediately after another one) are minor, fire is a lottery, higher dps typically means more luck with critical strikes than anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sephrie View Post
    no it's not
    Yes, it is. Flowform Choker gives 46 more Intellect than Opal of the Secret Order. I would much rather have 46 intellect over ~50 secondary stats any day. I haven't looked into it too much deeper than that, but I doubt "optimal reforging" is a reason to lose 46 intellect.

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