Do you think Sylvanas should die?

[Combatbulter]

You can't really compare that to what Sylvanas does every 30 minutes.

Raising his one buddy = ruling a people and overlooking their genocidal (Omnicidal?) tendencies?

I never said he was as bad as Sylvanas herself,I said they were twisted, yet he committed equal crimes only on a lower lvl, I am quite certain he will end in the void as well, as most undead will.

[Drakhar]

The best part about Sylvanas is the rage she causes.

Oh, that and the fact that all the narrow-minded folks who hate her have a single mindset: "Sylvanas is a terrible character with plot armor because I don't like her. Anyone who disagrees with me is a necrophiliac angsty moron goth teenager because they actually like this character for some stupid reason." Seriously, read through this thread, or any of them relating to Sylvanas/the Forsaken, this is actually what people believe, and it's the same handful of Holy Crusaders of Glorious Righteousness popping up to drop this infallible insight in every thread.

[mistuhbull]

I never said he was as bad as Sylvanas herself,I said they were twisted, yet he committed equal crimes only on a lower lvl, I am quite certain he will end in the void as well, as most undead will.

Considering Sylvanas's actions, methods, and ideologies were no different in life than in death before she attempted to suicide, it appears all undead end up in WoW Hell.

Douchebag living sylvanas=Heaven
Douchebag undead sylvanas=Hell

What's the difference? She is now undead

[Skytotem]

Considering Sylvanas's actions, methods, and ideologies were no different in life than in death before she attempted to suicide, it appears all undead end up in WoW Hell.

Douchebag living sylvanas=Heaven
Douchebag undead sylvanas=Hell

What's the difference? She is now undead

Living Sylvanas never turned a blind eye to her people performing invasive brain surgery on a concious patient.

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And, my issue isn't with the evil, it's about how the rest of the Horde shouldn't put up with it.

That gerard guy who made Theresa or tabetha or whatever her name is, a mindslave, should've gotten axed by the Kor'kron.

[Combatbulter]

Living Sylvanas never turned a blind eye to her people performing invasive brain surgery on a concious patient.

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And, my issue isn't with the evil, it's about how the rest of the Horde shouldn't put up with it.

That gerard guy who made Theresa or tabetha or whatever her name is, a mindslave, should've gotten axed by the Kor'kron.

For them it is a deal with the devil, they don't like how the Forsaken deal with things, but they bring results and as such are tolerated.The reason they don't kill him might be because slavery exists within the Horde(Alliance as well), so she technically belongs to him and as her master he can do to her what he wants.

Considering Sylvanas's actions, methods, and ideologies were no different in life than in death before she attempted to suicide, it appears all undead end up in WoW Hell.

Douchebag living sylvanas=Heaven
Douchebag undead sylvanas=Hell

What's the difference? She is now undead

I said it before and say it again this mindset is necessary for a military commander, you have to willing to sacrifice some of your troops to win. The main difference is she regretted to do so and in the end she herself made the same sacrifice in the hopes to delay Arthas long enough for the magister to turn the tide.

Sylvanas died in Quel'thalas the being that is the banshee queen wears the the same face but beneath it lurks a monster.

[Roggles]

The best part about Sylvanas is the rage she causes.

Oh, that and the fact that all the narrow-minded folks who hate her have a single mindset: "Sylvanas is a terrible character with plot armor because I don't like her. Anyone who disagrees with me is a necrophiliac angsty moron goth teenager because they actually like this character for some stupid reason." Seriously, read through this thread, or any of them relating to Sylvanas/the Forsaken, this is actually what people believe, and it's the same handful of Holy Crusaders of Glorious Righteousness popping up to drop this infallible insight in every thread.

And you're calling everyone else mad?...

[Skytotem]

For them it is a deal with the devil, they don't like how the Forsaken deal with things, but they bring results and as such are tolerated.The reason they don't kill him might be because slavery exists within the Horde(Alliance as well), so she technically belongs to him and as her master he can do to her what he wants.

The Orcs don't give a crap what the Forsaken think, just listen to the conversation in the Apothecarium, and the fishing quest where they behead an abomination :P

They ought to put poor tabetha/theresa/whatever out of her misery and see to it Gerard has an... accident for being so indiscrete with his work.


We're the Horde, if we're going to have evil, it better be the best and smartest damn evil ever.

None of this Snidely Whiplash crap, that dog don't hunt, that fish don't swim, that story don't fly, and that Jack don't hatesnog.

[Inahu]

The best part about Sylvanas is the rage she causes.

Oh, that and the fact that all the narrow-minded folks who hate her have a single mindset: "Sylvanas is a terrible character with plot armor because I don't like her. Anyone who disagrees with me is a necrophiliac angsty moron goth teenager because they actually like this character for some stupid reason." Seriously, read through this thread, or any of them relating to Sylvanas/the Forsaken, this is actually what people believe, and it's the same handful of Holy Crusaders of Glorious Righteousness popping up to drop this infallible insight in every thread.

You forgot 'emo'. They love that one.

On the topic of Sylvanas' killer, if she were to be killed off, I see only one, perhaps two acceptable figures: Alleria or Turalyon. Alleria because she's the eldest Windrunner sister who utterly despises orcs and may not forgive her sister for siding with them. She's also been off to Outland and places beyond fighting the forces of the Burning Legion, which formerly included the orcs, so she could understandably be disgusted at what their plague of undeath did to her sister. If Alleria failed to kill her sister and in the conflict was herself killed, then Turalyon would have an awesome revenge story to pursue - and he's a Paladin! He's also more likable than Tirion!

[Combatbulter]

The Orcs don't give a crap what the Forsaken think, just listen to the conversation in the Apothecarium, and the fishing quest where they behead an abomination :P

They ought to put poor tabetha/theresa/whatever out of her misery and see to it Gerard has an... accident for being so indiscrete with his work.


We're the Horde, if we're going to have evil, it better be the best and smartest damn evil ever.

None of this Snidely Whiplash crap, that dog don't hunt, that fish don't swim, that story don't fly, and that Jack don't hatesnog.

Oh I know whenever I talk to the guards in Uc they tend to call me bonebag,damn these ogre headed buffoons. ;P

[Drakhar]

And you're calling everyone else mad?...

Lmfao, which part of my post was even remotely mad? Meh, don't bother responding, I remember your amazingly insightful post from earlier in this thread and know anything you can come up with is irrelevant. Guess you don't like getting called out for my spot-on analysis that includes you?

You forgot 'emo'. They love that one.

Damn, knew I missed something. Yep, can't be undead without also being megaemogoth, a new hybrid of ultimate social reject-ness.

[Roggles]

Lmfao, which part of my post was even remotely mad? Meh, don't bother responding, I remember your amazingly insightful post from earlier in this thread and know anything you can come up with is irrelevant. Guess you don't like getting called out for my spot-on analysis that includes you?

Sounds like you're taking this thread way too seriously rofl, lighten up.

[Drakhar]

Sounds like you're taking this thread way too seriously rofl, lighten up.

Lmao, still don't have a response so now we're resorting to "herpaderp y so srs?"

If you don't have anything to contribute to this lore discussion, why bother?

[Albert the fish]

I never said he was as bad as Sylvanas herself,I said they were twisted, yet he committed equal crimes only on a lower lvl, I am quite certain he will end in the void as well, as most undead will.

wait. equal crimes only on a lower level?

how... how is that equal? you just expected me to buy into a perfect oxymoron. i can't actually think of a more perfect oxymoron that isn't a joke (like military intelligence)

[Combatbulter]

wait. equal crimes only on a lower level?

how... how is that equal? you just expected me to buy into a perfect oxymoron. i can't actually think of a more perfect oxymoron that isn't a joke (like military intelligence)

Sylvanas raises dead for selfish reasons so did Thassarian, the only difference Sylvanas raised thousands, while he robbed a single being of his peaceful afterlife. Even though it was only one person doesn't change the fact it is wrong.

[Difuid]

The annoying part with Sylvanas is she is becoming more and more like a lich queen (plague, valkyrs, raising an undead army) yet the Argent Crusade, the Ebon Knights or Bolvar Fordragon does nothing, and in addition not even we, the players, can do anything against the Scourge 2.0 because the Forsaken is a playable race and it would not be feasible to wipe them from the map of Azeroth.

[Skytotem]

You forgot 'emo'. They love that one.

On the topic of Sylvanas' killer, if she were to be killed off, I see only one, perhaps two acceptable figures: Alleria or Turalyon. Alleria because she's the eldest Windrunner sister who utterly despises orcs and may not forgive her sister for siding with them. She's also been off to Outland and places beyond fighting the forces of the Burning Legion, which formerly included the orcs, so she could understandably be disgusted at what their plague of undeath did to her sister. If Alleria failed to kill her sister and in the conflict was herself killed, then Turalyon would have an awesome revenge story to pursue - and he's a Paladin! He's also more likable than Tirion!

No Greymane? No Thassarian?

[Ethas]

You must be kidding. She is most powerfull of all rulers and she is one of the canonical Warcraft figures.
This whole "Tirion could come and kill her" is lughable. Actually Sylvanas almost killed Arthas with one-shot arrow. And what your praised Tirion done? Exactly, bubble + HS at frozen throne, while heroes actually weakened Ner'Zul to the death. GJ.

[Korgoth]

If its not in game it doesnt count. Cheap tie in books should not affect in game. If Blizzard tires of chasing Asian subscribers we could get an awesome Rise of the Lich Queen expansion. One where Sylvanas turns the Forsaken into the power of the Horde, and Garrosh has to face the reality that he is her second now.

[Combatbulter]

If its not in game it doesnt count. Cheap tie in books should not affect in game. If Blizzard tires of chasing Asian subscribers we could get an awesome Rise of the Lich Queen expansion. One where Sylvanas turns the Forsaken into the power of the Horde, and Garrosh has to face the reality that he is her second now.

That is just plain ridiciulous, since quite a lot of ingame lore is outdated, take Quel'thalas, Azurmyst Isles, Outland etc. for example.

[rafein]

I think her and the Forsaken will continue to grow in strength, until they threaten to overtake all of Azeroth. Until she gets so powerful, she males Bolvar fully exerts his powers, defeats her, and brings her back under the Lich King's control, a perfect punishment for her arrogance.