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    Help my ret pally heroic Ultra DPS

    So i've got a ret paladin atm who usually smashes me in dps, i'm the rogue who is doing a little low dps for his ilvl IN MY OPINION correct me if i'm wrong, he is 398 ilvl atm

    his armory is - http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...rency/advanced
    he's logged out in holy gear idk why but maybe his spec isn't right,

    http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-h3...?s=3198&e=3539

    ^^
    Logs for Ultraxion our best attempt, can someone please analyze or tell me to STFU if i'm just bad at judging people's dps wether they can improve.

    sorry bout the double link on armory, fixed
    Last edited by Drunkdude101; 2012-02-12 at 02:56 PM.

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    You linked his armory twice...

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    Difficult to say without looking at his gear, I am doing 38-39k on HM 25 Ultra, ilvl396 equiped and even that is a bit low in my opinion. But Ret was my OS and I haven't played it since WoTLK, only recently switching to it as MS 2 weeks ago.

    Just looking at logs he used Golemblood Potion only once, when he should prepot this fight and use GoAK twice, summon GoAK 3 sec before ppull and prepot 1 sec before pull, his GoAK will be off CD for 3rd Wings + Zealotry pop. Also if you using him in Soaking Groups, make sure he is always in G3, that way he can perfectly use his wings + zealotry without worrying about faiding light and lost DPS to it.

    It should look like it

    1. [Pull] Pre-pot, GoAK, Wings + Zealotry
    2. 3rd group soak - Zealotry + Wings just after last faiding light, but before HoT
    3. 3rd group 2nd soak - Don't use Wings, save them for when GoAK will go off CD
    4. As soon as GoAK is of CD pop it, wings, zealotry + 2nd pot.
    Last edited by Larrius; 2012-02-12 at 03:17 PM.

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    im about to go to work but heres our first kill if you want to compare

    http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/r...?s=3788&e=4149

    was in raid finder 4 peice w/ heroic sulfuras and mostly firelands gear

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    i also can't seem to find tentacle damage on any fights where do i look for it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drunkdude101 View Post
    i also can't seem to find tentacle damage on any fights where do i look for it?

    you click on little triangle next to player's name

    ---------- Post added 2012-02-12 at 06:07 PM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by Drunkdude101 View Post
    So i've got a ret paladin atm who usually smashes me in dps, i'm the rogue who is doing a little low dps for his ilvl IN MY OPINION correct me if i'm wrong, he is 398 ilvl atm

    his armory is - http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...rency/advanced
    he's logged out in holy gear idk why but maybe his spec isn't right,

    http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-h3...?s=3198&e=3539

    ^^
    Logs for Ultraxion our best attempt, can someone please analyze or tell me to STFU if i'm just bad at judging people's dps wether they can improve.

    sorry bout the double link on armory, fixed



    looking at your logs he should lose gruth it's rly shit throught hole fight he got 1 proc and tentacle done 112916 dmg and losing secondary stats for this low dmg aint worth mybe more stabile dmg output will inscrease his dps.
    When i checked his armory he's in holy gear so idk what kind of trinkets he has enchs stats etc.
    but idk if he had lagg or something he should use CS more often in your kill which lasted 3:26 (206 sec) he used 39 CS which means 1CS every 5,28 sec which is rly rly bad that should be under 4 sec counting world lag

    Edit: If i looked at wrong board for CS some1 correct me. Thank you
    Last edited by Monoroth; 2012-02-12 at 05:09 PM.

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    with gurth would tentacles do 0 damage if not close enough i heard there were bugs on ultra.

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    Tell him to stand closer to the boss so that his Gurth'talak tentacle procs.

  9. #9
    Gurth will proc if he stands in the second horizontal line from the edge. You dont need to be any closer. Our team stacks right on the line with our healers being ever so slightly back so they can get the buffs when needed.

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    4.3.2 Made Gurth pretty solid again considering the extra 20-30k damage from the tentacle procc, and well you should get a few more poped per try, but take their advice and move closer.

    Secondly I don't see any Holy Wrath damage? Its a great "downtime" source of damage, while Zealotry is on CD, especially since it will give a few extra templars over the fight, See Divine Purpose.

    And As the First person said, If you use your guardian with a prepot, make sure its 8seconds before you start nuking with your Zealotry, think that is the ultimate time for it, do not pop it instantly together with Zealotry is my suggestion.

    And for those who did not know, Consecration doesn't hit Ultraxion, so don't waste mana on it.

    Respecc away Selfless Healer and get Eye for an Eye imo.

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    looking at your damage breakdown its

    Templars Verdict
    Hand of Light
    Censure
    Crusader Strike

    Mine is always
    Hand of Light
    Templars Verdict
    Crusader Strike

    I couldn't look at your armory because you logged out in ret spec with holy gear. I can only assume its that your reforge isn't correct. I recommend try utilizing wow reforge.com and make sure you click the optimize botton. It seems that everyone I send there never clicks and thinks their reforge is correct. Also I am really confused why censure is over crusader strike seems like you are being too cautious with leaving for fading. The fight is all about managing that and if you play it safe your dps drops a bit. I noticed that a lot of your dps in your raid are doing 30k where they should be at least 35k which will also cause your dps to be lower, mostly because your burst damage gets fanned out over a longer amount of time. Try waiting till 3 seconds on fading and with practice you can time it that you build your HP or at least put abilities on CD right before leaving for fading. I recommend that you hit the button no later than 1.5 seconds due to server lag and things of that nature. Ultrax is a dps race vs damage done so you all have to do as much damage as you can and a lot of your uptime is around 96.x% when it should be at least 98.x%. We manage to achieve 99.5+ on our up time its probably less to do with class than it is to do with execution. Try to log out in ret gear over the next few days so I can see what your set up is.

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    85% inq uptime with huge gaps in between refreshing sometimes.
    Also the second set of cooldowns there was nothing lined up at all

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    This post has helped alot after a 3 month break. Lol its nice to see advice from a cool bunch of people.

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    This

    He did
    Code:
    Spell 	Damage done 	Hits 	Crits 	Ticks 	Tick Crits 	Uptime 	Glances 	Absorb 		Misses
    # 	Avg 	Total 	# 	Avg 	Total 	# 	Avg 	Total 	# 	Avg 	Total 	# 	Avg 	Total 	Total
    Templar's Verdict 	2177618 	19.9 % 	35 	35742.8 	1250997 	12 	77218.4 	926621 	- 	- 	- 	- 	- 		
    Hand of Light 	1967570 	18.0 % 	105 	18738.8 	1967570 	- 	- 	- 	- 	- 	- 		
    Censure 	1284311 	11.7 % 	- 	- 	108 	7751.3 	837143 	27 	16561.8 	447168 	05:30 (96.6 %) 	- 	- 		
    Crusader Strike 	1243325 	11.4 % 	42 	16019.3 	672811 	16 	35657.1 	570514 	- 	- 	- 	- 	- 		
    Melee 	1046476 	9.6 % 	51 	9827.3 	501190 	19 	20251.1 	384770 	- 	- 	- 	22 	7296.2 	160516 	- 		
    Seal of Truth 	931930 	8.5 % 	219 	2944.5 	644841 	46 	6241.1 	287089 	- 	- 	- 	- 	- 		
    Exorcism 	858479 	7.8 % 	9 	31409.3 	282684 	9 	50117.8 	451060 	43 	2183.0 	93867 	10 	3086.8 	30868 	01:45 (31.0 %) 	- 	- 		
    Judgement of Truth 	507261 	4.6 % 	17 	16994.2 	288901 	7 	31194.3 	218360 	- 	- 	- 	- 	- 		
    Hammer of Wrath 	446524 	4.1 % 	10 	29351.9 	293519 	2 	76502.5 	153005 	- 	- 	- 	- 	- 		
    Seals of Command 	399305 	3.6 % 	217 	1238.0 	268643 	50 	2613.2 	130662 	- 	- 	- 	- 	- 		
    Holy Wrath 	59222 	0.5 % 	6 	9870.3 	59222 	- 	- 	- 	- 	- 	- 		
    Ancient Fury 	24713 	0.2 % 	1 	24713.0 	24713 	- 	- 	- 	- 	- 	- 		
    	10946734 	100% 	712 	8785.2 	6255091 	161 	19391.8 	3122081 	151 	6165.6 	931010 	37 	12919.9 	478036 		22 	7296.2 	160516 	- 		0 (0.0 %)
    He should have done
    Code:
    Damage Stats	DPS	DPS%	Count	Interval	DPE	DPET	Hit	Crit	Max	Crit%	Avoid%	G%	B%	Ticks	T-Hit	T-Crit	T-Crit%	T-Avoid%	Up%
    Belligerency	40973	
    ancient_fury	124	0.3%	1.9	366.79sec	28658	0	27322	57229	66569	4.5%	0.0%	0.0%	0.0%	0	0	0	0.0%	0.0%	0.0%
    avenging_wrath	0	0.0%	2.9	181.85sec	0	0	0	0	0	0.0%	0.0%	0.0%	0.0%	0	0	0	0.0%	0.0%	0.0%
    censure	3693	9.0%	391.7	1.15sec	4233	0	0	0	0	0.0%	0.0%	0.0%	0.0%	181	7785	16284	16.1%	0.0%	99.7%
    consecration	248	0.6%	6.1	65.57sec	18266	14087	0	0	0	0.0%	0.0%	0.0%	0.0%	73	1323	2097	26.6%	0.0%	16.2%
    crusader_strike	5015	12.2%	102.6	4.39sec	21948	14280	16434	34154	54846	31.1%	0.0%	0.0%	0.0%	0	0	0	0.0%	0.0%	0.0%
    divine_plea	0	0.0%	2.7	144.04sec	0	0	0	0	0	0.0%	0.0%	0.0%	0.0%	0	0	0	0.0%	0.0%	0.0%
    exorcism	2643	6.4%	25.2	17.35sec	47053	36661	34497	53665	86632	25.4%	0.0%	0.0%	0.0%	74	2303	3586	25.4%	0.0%	32.8%
    guardian_of_ancient_kings	0	0.0%	1.9	369.80sec	0	0	0	0	0	0.0%	0.0%	0.0%	0.0%	0	0	0	0.0%	0.0%	0.0%
    gurthalak_voice_of_the_deeps	2018	4.9%	7.8	49.73sec	114900	0	0	0	0	0.0%	0.0%	0.0%	0.0%	66	12045	18634	25.4%	0.0%	14.6%
    hammer_of_wrath	606	1.5%	9.7	46.24sec	27970	18198	22801	48094	71185	20.6%	0.0%	0.0%	0.0%	0	0	0	0.0%	0.0%	0.0%
    hand_of_light	7478	18.3%	177.2	2.54sec	18940	0	18940	0	66751	0.0%	0.0%	0.0%	0.0%	0	0	0	0.0%	0.0%	0.0%
    holy_wrath	401	1.0%	16.4	26.51sec	10957	8473	9641	14869	22759	25.2%	0.0%	0.0%	0.0%	0	0	0	0.0%	0.0%	0.0%
    inquisition	0	0.0%	12.7	36.24sec	0	0	0	0	0	0.0%	0.0%	0.0%	0.0%	0	0	0	0.0%	0.0%	0.0%
    judgement_of_truth	2317	5.7%	45.7	9.91sec	22779	14821	17556	36359	68982	27.8%	0.0%	0.0%	0.0%	0	0	0	0.0%	0.0%	0.0%
    melee	3919	9.6%	159.2	2.83sec	11052	3929	9906	20680	33221	16.1%	0.0%	24.0%	0.0%	0	0	0	0.0%	0.0%	0.0%
    seal_of_truth	3170	7.7%	415.9	1.08sec	3422	0	2911	6077	9797	16.1%	0.0%	0.0%	0.0%	0	0	0	0.0%	0.0%	0.0%
    seals_of_command	1328	3.2%	416.9	1.08sec	1430	0	1217	2541	4082	16.1%	0.0%	0.0%	0.0%	0	0	0	0.0%	0.0%	0.0%
    templars_verdict	7711	18.8%	74.6	5.91sec	46374	30172	35377	73995	113199	28.5%	0.0%	0.0%	0.0%	0	0	0	0.0%	0.0%	0.0%
    pet - guardian_of_ancient_kings	2470 / 304	
    melee	2470	0.7%	31.4	12.29sec	4350	2393	4629	0	4629	0.0%	0.0%	24.1%	0.0%	0	0	0	0.0%	0.0%	0.0%
    He shouold be 7k higer

    Yeah and this is the is the priority for your abilitys:
    Code:
    #	action,conditions
    0	flask,type=titanic_strength
    1	food,type=beer_basted_crocolisk
    2	seal_of_truth
    3	snapshot_stats
    4	golemblood_potion,if=!in_combat|buff.bloodlust.react|target.time_to_die<=40
    5	auto_attack
    6	judgement,if=buff.judgements_of_the_pure.down
    7	guardian_of_ancient_kings,if=cooldown.zealotry.remains<10
    8	zealotry,if=cooldown.guardian_of_ancient_kings.remains>0&cooldown.guardian_of_ancient_kings.remains<292
    9	avenging_wrath,if=buff.zealotry.up
    A	crusader_strike,if=holy_power<3
    B	judgement,if=buff.zealotry.down&holy_power<3
    C	inquisition,if=(buff.inquisition.down|buff.inquisition.remains<=2)&(holy_power>=3|buff.divine_purpose.react)
    D	templars_verdict,if=buff.divine_purpose.react
    E	templars_verdict,if=holy_power=3
    F	exorcism,if=buff.the_art_of_war.react
    G	hammer_of_wrath
    H	judgement,if=set_bonus.tier13_2pc_melee&buff.zealotry.up&holy_power<3
    I	wait,sec=0.1,if=cooldown.crusader_strike.remains<0.2&cooldown.crusader_strike.remains>0
    J	holy_wrath
    K	consecration,not_flying=1,if=mana>16000
    L	divine_plea
    Last edited by Monky; 2012-02-14 at 11:47 AM. Reason: Prio list

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    I gained 89 holy power through crusader strike and 24 holy power through judgement over a 5 minute fight

    He gained 73 holy power through crusader strike and 23 holy power through judgement over a 5:40 fight

    That coupled with 85% inquisition uptime is why hand of light is lower that templars verdict. Its a rotation issue

    Quite simply, hes not using crusader strike on cooldown
    Last edited by Butosai; 2012-02-14 at 02:23 PM.

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    he died "just" as he was about to start his second 5 minute cooldown rotation as he gains 3 stacks of ancient power right before he dies.

    if the fight had lasted 30 seconds longer his dps would have been a few k higher,

    i would say he used judgement to few times. as he only casts it 24 times in a fight where you should be geting about 34 (taking your duration and the avg cd of 10 seconds due to dp procs +cooldown rotation.) thats 10 lost holy power.

    his inquisiiton uptime isn't bad at 85% but could be 90+

    he used heroic will 11 times and with 6 fading lights he apparrnetly clicked for 5 hour of twilights -> between 30 and 55 seconds of "only censure dps" as for an hour you do the full 5 but for a fading you do between 1-5 each heroic will you click.

    however your log is a little bit broken as apparently he had divine plea up 100% of the time!

    looking at you -> 28 reveal strikes and 40 evis did you reveal each that didn't proc on 3?
    Tricks of trade you only cast 5 times in a 5 minute fight you could have Doubled that.
    your slice and dice uptime is only 80%
    feint only used 4 times, any global when your waiting on energy you may as well feint as if your glyphing it( an why not?) it's 0 cost
    i would say from this both of you could have done a few k more
    Last edited by Viglante; 2012-02-15 at 12:08 PM.

  17. #17
    More CS and better Inq uptime would be the first things to look at, imo.

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