So, um, thinking of coming back for PvP...?

[Timun]

Well, it's been a while (or at least it seems like it) since I've even thought about WoW.

Regardless, my busy schedule doesn't really allow for raids (unless this raid finder thing cuts down raiding to less than a 1.5-hour sitting), but I am considering coming back to WoW for PvP.

1. Is it as much of a clusterf*** as I remember from the very beginning of Cata, or has it improved? (If you don't think it was a clusterf*** like I did, you were probably more experienced than me).
2. Does it look like Blizzard is trying to balance out PvP for the upcoming expansion? (Haven't really looked into it at all).
3. Would you say coming back almost solely for PvP is a justifiable reason for re-subbing to World of Warcraft? Or is the endgame basically all raiding nowadays?
4. Do you feel that PvP in WoW has any sort of a balanced, competitive future?

Sorry for the relatively random questions. Thanks in advance for your time and opinion(s).

[Yourcatdead]

Well, it's been a while (or at least it seems like it) since I've even thought about WoW.

Regardless, my busy schedule doesn't really allow for raids (unless this raid finder thing cuts down raiding to less than a 1.5-hour sitting), but I am considering coming back to WoW for PvP.

1. Is it as much of a clusterf*** as I remember from the very beginning of Cata, or has it improved? (If you don't think it was a clusterf*** like I did, you were probably more experienced than me).
2. Does it look like Blizzard is trying to balance out PvP for the upcoming expansion? (Haven't really looked into it at all).
3. Would you say coming back almost solely for PvP is a justifiable reason for re-subbing to World of Warcraft? Or is the endgame basically all raiding nowadays?
4. Do you feel that PvP in WoW has any sort of a balanced, competitive future?

Sorry for the relatively random questions. Thanks in advance for your time and opinion(s).

1. I'm not sure what you mean by clusterfuck. Healers are harder to kill now with the gear we have, the same classes that have been OP are still OP. Rogues are now the more annoying class rather than frost mages.
2. They never really said anything about balance in MoP yet, only that they want to encourage PvP/W PvP more. But we don't have any real info.
3. After my guild clears tiers I only stay subbed for PvP. Granted I only play a few times a week, only get on 3-4 nights a week and grind 3s rating.
4. To be honest I don't see PvP ever really being balanced, in any game. PvP is a lot more balanced now then it was in Wrath/BC, but there will always be a class with burst, always be a class that is easy to kill for your class, but others it's not.

[Timun]

You are right, I should have been more clear and awake when making my topic.

As a Warlock, I got stomped endlessly without full purple PvP gear. Granted, I'm not that great of a player (never really put in a ton of effort, which I hear is required for Warlocks).

I suppose if I came back I'd be choosing a faceroll, easy-ish class to play and have fun with.

[vindicatorx]

I'd wait for MOPif I was you

[jeremynative]

i quit wow because of how bad the PVP is currently(since PVE is boring right now(1 raid))

i mostly play 2v2 and occationally 3v3. i notice that ferals and rogues are the most OP classes. they deal the best damage and are impossible to kite, and come with all CC needed to win.

i play warrior and they are in a terrible state in pvp. same with warlocks and hunters.

paladins do well in all specs but not as great as rogues in damage.

mages are OP in BGS, but in arena they really need a DPS partner to win since you can los them almost the entire time if its only them.

shamans are terrible in all aspects, elemental is OKish for burst but will get locked down as usual

druids are good for feral, bad for balance and can only survive for 40 secs in pvp as healers(since tree form is basically bubble)

warlocks are a joke, their dots are very slow ticking and weak with no burst damage.

deathknights are also strong with rogues and ferals, but lack true CC.

hunters are not great but in 3v3/5v5 are better

priest is the best pvp healer hands down. best damage reduction(always 20% damage reduction talent, 40% with resil, 10-20 with bubble, 40% with suppression) with shield. their fear is on cooldown almost always and they have an ability to be immuned to silence every 40 secs for 6 secs. can dispel 2 magic and 1 disease(so frost mage/ele shaman/dk get reduced dmg). they are designed to be damage soaking healers since all other healers have abilities to improve their speed and be mobile, but that works better on paper


the only way to compete in pvp on wow is to play the FOTM(which was always true)

damage is insane for certain classes. its not balanced at all and theres no hope that blizzard will fix it.

BGS are full of bots and rated bgs are very rare. world pvp is dead (has been for 3 exps anyway)

raid finder is great for pvp gear, the trinkets help with burst damage and the weapons are very nice if you are starting out. the queue is long for everyone but healers(like 15 mins)


WOW is in a really boring state right now i think it is better to wait for MOP which has many more class abilities and interesting pvp talents. blizzard even said they are focusing on the horde vs alliance battle (but they never really focus on pvp on wow anyway)

GW2 looks a lot better i dont think ill ever resub to wow for pvp when its out

[Gandrake]

PvP is still shit

check back in like 6 months

i play warrior and they are in a terrible state in pvp. same with warlocks and hunters.

LoL

Warlocks bad, ohohoho.... that is a good one

[Timun]

PvP is still shit

check back in like 6 months

Dagnabbit, just what I had feared.

[AnarchyEU]

You can still have fun in PvP, but if you are just want to come back and enjoy some casual faceroll PvP, play any of the following.
-Healer
-Death knight (any spec)
-Feral druid
-Subtlety Rogue
-Frost/fire mage

[PizzaSHARK]

Well, it's been a while (or at least it seems like it) since I've even thought about WoW.

Regardless, my busy schedule doesn't really allow for raids (unless this raid finder thing cuts down raiding to less than a 1.5-hour sitting), but I am considering coming back to WoW for PvP.

1. Is it as much of a clusterf*** as I remember from the very beginning of Cata, or has it improved? (If you don't think it was a clusterf*** like I did, you were probably more experienced than me).
2. Does it look like Blizzard is trying to balance out PvP for the upcoming expansion? (Haven't really looked into it at all).
3. Would you say coming back almost solely for PvP is a justifiable reason for re-subbing to World of Warcraft? Or is the endgame basically all raiding nowadays?
4. Do you feel that PvP in WoW has any sort of a balanced, competitive future?

Sorry for the relatively random questions. Thanks in advance for your time and opinion(s).

1 - Of course. Generally speaking, healers are immortal, frost mages will gib you in a shatter, and rogues are basically trollface.jpg. It can still be fun, but I wouldn't dare think of taking it anywhere near seriously right now.

2 - Blizzard are like politicians - they make lots of promises but seem to have issues delivering on them.

3 - Not really, no. Once you've killed Derpwing there isn't much else left to do.

4 - Not really, no. Blizzard just doesn't care, or maybe their investors aren't letting them care.

[skrikspya]

Well, it's been a while (or at least it seems like it) since I've even thought about WoW.

Regardless, my busy schedule doesn't really allow for raids (unless this raid finder thing cuts down raiding to less than a 1.5-hour sitting), but I am considering coming back to WoW for PvP.

1. Is it as much of a clusterf*** as I remember from the very beginning of Cata, or has it improved? (If you don't think it was a clusterf*** like I did, you were probably more experienced than me).
2. Does it look like Blizzard is trying to balance out PvP for the upcoming expansion? (Haven't really looked into it at all).
3. Would you say coming back almost solely for PvP is a justifiable reason for re-subbing to World of Warcraft? Or is the endgame basically all raiding nowadays?
4. Do you feel that PvP in WoW has any sort of a balanced, competitive future?

Sorry for the relatively random questions. Thanks in advance for your time and opinion(s).

PvP above 2.3-2.4k is actually very nice now. Way more combos are viable then previously. Even hunters are now seen higher than 1800s, and all classes can get to 2.2k which is enough for 95% of all pvpers. Bad players at crap rating will of course blame anything why they can't break 2.2 or whatever barrier they think they deserve to play in.

I would resub to take on some pvp!

[Zeddicious]

PvP is still shit

check back in like 6 months



LoL

Warlocks bad, ohohoho.... that is a good one

Play one outside of 3v3. Gotta love ignorant people who pretend they know what they're talking about.

[Gandrake]

dont get mad at me because you don't know how to put your portal on a bridge or behind a pillar

[asharia]

i quit wow because of how bad the PVP is currently(since PVE is boring right now(1 raid))

i mostly play 2v2 and occationally 3v3. i notice that ferals and rogues are the most OP classes. they deal the best damage and are impossible to kite, and come with all CC needed to win.

i play warrior and they are in a terrible state in pvp. same with warlocks and hunters.

paladins do well in all specs but not as great as rogues in damage.

mages are OP in BGS, but in arena they really need a DPS partner to win since you can los them almost the entire time if its only them.

shamans are terrible in all aspects, elemental is OKish for burst but will get locked down as usual

druids are good for feral, bad for balance and can only survive for 40 secs in pvp as healers(since tree form is basically bubble)

warlocks are a joke, their dots are very slow ticking and weak with no burst damage.

deathknights are also strong with rogues and ferals, but lack true CC.

hunters are not great but in 3v3/5v5 are better

priest is the best pvp healer hands down. best damage reduction(always 20% damage reduction talent, 40% with resil, 10-20 with bubble, 40% with suppression) with shield. their fear is on cooldown almost always and they have an ability to be immuned to silence every 40 secs for 6 secs. can dispel 2 magic and 1 disease(so frost mage/ele shaman/dk get reduced dmg). they are designed to be damage soaking healers since all other healers have abilities to improve their speed and be mobile, but that works better on paper


the only way to compete in pvp on wow is to play the FOTM(which was always true)

damage is insane for certain classes. its not balanced at all and theres no hope that blizzard will fix it.

BGS are full of bots and rated bgs are very rare. world pvp is dead (has been for 3 exps anyway)

raid finder is great for pvp gear, the trinkets help with burst damage and the weapons are very nice if you are starting out. the queue is long for everyone but healers(like 15 mins)


WOW is in a really boring state right now i think it is better to wait for MOP which has many more class abilities and interesting pvp talents. blizzard even said they are focusing on the horde vs alliance battle (but they never really focus on pvp on wow anyway)

GW2 looks a lot better i dont think ill ever resub to wow for pvp when its out

what?

warlocks are very strong

and ret sucks. holy isnt that great either, unless you're running a melee cleave zerg team

[purfias]

I think they are making it more and more balanced, the thing is that classes counter classes but skill is all that matters pretty much. I think i've seen most comps at high rating by now.

I for one play feral druid and I find pvp satisfying enough to keep me subscribed.

[Yeahroy]

hunters in a bad spot... thats funny. Hunters have some huge damage now and if you come across a good hunter you can pretty much go afk and pick your arse the rest of the match. PvP for fun is best in BGs imo, get geared and run around destroying something quickly or kiting 2-4 people and killing all of them is really satisfying.

p.s. warriors are in a bad spot as well? have you even let a warrior loose on a caster before? They can do massive damage... stop being bad lol

[Kanggaxx]

Well, it's been a while (or at least it seems like it) since I've even thought about WoW.

Regardless, my busy schedule doesn't really allow for raids (unless this raid finder thing cuts down raiding to less than a 1.5-hour sitting), but I am considering coming back to WoW for PvP.

1. Is it as much of a clusterf*** as I remember from the very beginning of Cata, or has it improved? (If you don't think it was a clusterf*** like I did, you were probably more experienced than me).
2. Does it look like Blizzard is trying to balance out PvP for the upcoming expansion? (Haven't really looked into it at all).
3. Would you say coming back almost solely for PvP is a justifiable reason for re-subbing to World of Warcraft? Or is the endgame basically all raiding nowadays?
4. Do you feel that PvP in WoW has any sort of a balanced, competitive future?

Sorry for the relatively random questions. Thanks in advance for your time and opinion(s).

WoW PvP is the best it has ever been.

Getting outplayed by PvE trinkets.

We are now forced to raid again because everyone has PvE weapons, trinkets, and set bonuses that are simply much stronger than the pvp stuff.

Balance isnt better at all, there are a few classes which are on the top, and a few classes that are completely forgotten until MoP comes out.

The RBG stuff is fun at first, but once again some glaring imbalances come to light quickly. 1 of them being how games can sometimes be decided on the number of smoke bomb/shadowdances, and how there is practically zero drawback to bringing stupid shit like 3 mages.

If it wasnt for my girlfriend, i wouldnt be pvp'ing at all anymore. Now im just levelling heirloom alts so i can pick whatever is most OP in MoP. Fuck the haters.

[ComputerNerd]

PvP is still shit

check back in like 6 months



LoL

Warlocks bad, ohohoho.... that is a good one

Warlocks are in a bad state yes, like warriors are good only when someone else is making up for our shortcomings.
1v1 they suck, and when people argue about how good they are they are by far usually when paired with a healer, and by far in only a single bracket - 3v3.

[Kanggaxx]

Warlocks are in a bad state yes, like warriors are good only when someone else is making up for our shortcomings.
1v1 they suck, and when people argue about how good they are they are by far usually when paired with a healer, and by far in only a single bracket - 3v3.

I will not listen to a class that has access to THE most powerful setup in the most important bracket as being put down as 'bad'.

I WILL NOT HAVE IT!

Oh and Warriors kind of do suck now, because these days you can easily pick a rogue and do better. You cant find a replacement for a warlock so easily.

---------- Post added 2012-02-13 at 11:27 AM ----------

Play one outside of 3v3. Gotta love ignorant people who pretend they know what they're talking about.

Check this argument.

'yes i may rule the world, but there's a whole universe out there!'

[Palli]

i quit wow because of how bad the PVP is currently(since PVE is boring right now(1 raid))
(snip)

This whole post should be 99% ignored. It sounds like rants of someone that can't make it past 1400 in Arena.

To the OP, if you are not skilled, as you stated you are not, PvP is going to look very unbalanced. You will get outplayed frequently which looks like a balancing issue, but it is really an ability issue. Affliction locks are in a good place right now. Pair up with a Restro Shaman (the top arena healer at the moment) and you have a good chance of doing well.

RLS (Rogue, Lock, Shaman)
MLS (Mage, Lock, Shaman)
LSD2 (Lock, Shaman, Moonkin)
WLS (Warrior, Lock, Shaman) Not as popular as Warriors are in bad shape
Shadowplay (SPriest, Lock, Healer)

Locks are very popular right now

Affliction locks are not meant to burst down players. They are meant to control and DOT everything slowly windling down the life of the battlefield. If you are looking to LOL-blow people up Affliction is not the class for you.

The guy has no idea what he is talking about when he says Priests are the best PvP healer right now.

Different classes have different synergy. It just seems that these posts all end up about someone being destroyed in a BG or Arena by a certain comp/duel and then start to cry foul about classes being OP.

[Epiphanes]

i quit wow because of how bad the PVP is currently(since PVE is boring right now(1 raid))

i mostly play 2v2 and occationally 3v3. i notice that ferals and rogues are the most OP classes. they deal the best damage and are impossible to kite, and come with all CC needed to win.

i play warrior and they are in a terrible state in pvp. same with warlocks and hunters.

paladins do well in all specs but not as great as rogues in damage.

mages are OP in BGS, but in arena they really need a DPS partner to win since you can los them almost the entire time if its only them.

shamans are terrible in all aspects, elemental is OKish for burst but will get locked down as usual

druids are good for feral, bad for balance and can only survive for 40 secs in pvp as healers(since tree form is basically bubble)

warlocks are a joke, their dots are very slow ticking and weak with no burst damage.

deathknights are also strong with rogues and ferals, but lack true CC.

hunters are not great but in 3v3/5v5 are better

priest is the best pvp healer hands down. best damage reduction(always 20% damage reduction talent, 40% with resil, 10-20 with bubble, 40% with suppression) with shield. their fear is on cooldown almost always and they have an ability to be immuned to silence every 40 secs for 6 secs. can dispel 2 magic and 1 disease(so frost mage/ele shaman/dk get reduced dmg). they are designed to be damage soaking healers since all other healers have abilities to improve their speed and be mobile, but that works better on paper


the only way to compete in pvp on wow is to play the FOTM(which was always true)

damage is insane for certain classes. its not balanced at all and theres no hope that blizzard will fix it.

BGS are full of bots and rated bgs are very rare. world pvp is dead (has been for 3 exps anyway)

raid finder is great for pvp gear, the trinkets help with burst damage and the weapons are very nice if you are starting out. the queue is long for everyone but healers(like 15 mins)


WOW is in a really boring state right now i think it is better to wait for MOP which has many more class abilities and interesting pvp talents. blizzard even said they are focusing on the horde vs alliance battle (but they never really focus on pvp on wow anyway)

GW2 looks a lot better i dont think ill ever resub to wow for pvp when its out

Now sure if trolling or just stupid. PHD and WLS/RLS/MLS are doing just fine holding more than a third of all bg top 10 positions.