So, um, thinking of coming back for PvP...?

[Wyred]

Balance is terrible right now, worse than most of WotLK (obviously not counting S5). Resto shamans are still the best healers, frost mages still do too high burst, and rogues are now immortal death gods cc'ing your entire 3's team. Get any rating in 3's and you will run into RLS or RMP constantly. After my resto druid mate got tired of being killed through his cooldowns, or 10 seconds after those cooldowns were spent, we rerolled RMP. The entire team is new to their class, and we suck at coordinating our cc right now, but every now and again you will just destroy someone out of nowhere. Anyone saying that balance is better now than in WotLK is delusional.

Edit: I would say the main reason to not come back for pvp right now if you didn't like beginning of cata, is that it's just not that much fun at the moment.

[Necrolepsy]

WoW got pulled off the MLG circuit because of how horribly unbalanced it has become. Cataclysm PvP is far worse than Wrath (and wrath was horrible, just shuddering thinking back to s5 dks and s6/7 warlocks).

[DiscoGhost]

WoW got pulled off the MLG circuit because of how horribly unbalanced it has become. Cataclysm PvP is far worse than Wrath (and wrath was horrible, just shuddering thinking back to s5 dks and s6/7 warlocks).

i disagree. atleast LSD isnt popping bloodlust and killing you in 1 second with a chaosbolt and lava burst. its still bursty but nowhere near as bad. its not fun sometimes, but still better pvp than any other mmo currently. but if your looking for balance, might as well play a console fps online.

[Siberia]

1. Is it as much of a clusterf*** as I remember from the very beginning of Cata, or has it improved? (If you don't think it was a clusterf*** like I did, you were probably more experienced than me).

Not really sure what you mean by this

2. Does it look like Blizzard is trying to balance out PvP for the upcoming expansion? (Haven't really looked into it at all).

Nothings been said about Balance. The new talent system is going to make a lot more classes viable, which in turn may tilt the balance scale a bit, but I can't see it being out of hand.

3. Would you say coming back almost solely for PvP is a justifiable reason for re-subbing to World of Warcraft? Or is the endgame basically all raiding nowadays?

I only play for PvP, so yeah. As long as your on the right server, and you have the right group of people to play with. Endgame raiding is a joke.

4. Do you feel that PvP in WoW has any sort of a balanced, competitive future?

The balance is fine, (not taking into account PvE items that love to screw everything up). NAO is doing quite a lot of tournaments, but Blizzard endorsed world-wide competitive future? Nope

[terrih91]

Play one outside of 3v3. Gotta love ignorant people who pretend they know what they're talking about.

ill just leave this here for you to look at. http://www.arenajunkies.com/rankings/2v2/

look at the top 20 teams and tell me how many locks you see in 2v2. i think locks are in a fine place if you ask me sir.

and to the OP. PvP right now is pretty much the same since the start of this expansion. you still see mages and rogues and ferals as the most annoying things alive, blood dks are still a thorn in my side in 2v2 post vengence nerf (30k+ crits trololololol) but i still find alot of fun in it. gearing up right now will be sort of hard so if ur under the 377 ilvl for pvp gear id suggest investing in the vicious gear and farm honor like a baws for the 390 gear then work up to cataclysmic gear from conquest.

[Prostyle]

I find that I enjoy my PvP times most when I am playing with many people that I know.

If I want to solo queue, I'm asking for /rage.

[Siberia]

WoW got pulled off the MLG circuit because of how horribly unbalanced it has become. Cataclysm PvP is far worse than Wrath (and wrath was horrible, just shuddering thinking back to s5 dks and s6/7 warlocks).

Calling BS on that. Cataclysm balance and survivability is not bad at all. There are VERY few 2s and 3s matches where someone actually gets global'd, and if that happens, you're doing it wrong.

i disagree. atleast LSD isnt popping bloodlust and killing you in 1 second with a chaosbolt and lava burst. its still bursty but nowhere near as bad. its not fun sometimes, but still better pvp than any other mmo currently.

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If you watched any of the NAO tournament fights, they're all relatively long-lasting matches that require a ton of coordination. (All the vids I believe are up on the Curse youtube channel; youtube.com/user/CurseNetwork)

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Balance is terrible right now, worse than most of WotLK (obviously not counting S5). Resto shamans are still the best healers, frost mages still do too high burst, and rogues are now immortal death gods cc'ing your entire 3's team. Get any rating in 3's and you will run into RLS or RMP constantly. After my resto druid mate got tired of being killed through his cooldowns, or 10 seconds after those cooldowns were spent, we rerolled RMP. The entire team is new to their class, and we suck at coordinating our cc right now, but every now and again you will just destroy someone out of nowhere. Anyone saying that balance is better now than in WotLK is delusional.

Edit: I would say the main reason to not come back for pvp right now if you didn't like beginning of cata, is that it's just not that much fun at the moment.

This is a pretty bad QQ post, and it's not very constructive or helpful.
Resto Shamans are GOOD healers. Priests are GOOD healers. Paladins are GOOD healers. Druids are in a shitty state right now. Frost Mages do high burst that requires setup, aka you don't let a frost mage free cast on you, and you don't sit in the middle of a map eating shit. Rogues "immortal death gods ccing your entire 3s team" (Lol?).

[Necrolepsy]

i disagree. atleast LSD isnt popping bloodlust and killing you in 1 second with a chaosbolt and lava burst. its still bursty but nowhere near as bad. its not fun sometimes, but still better pvp than any other mmo currently. but if your looking for balance, might as well play a console fps online.

It's worse than swtor and rift, I'm playing both at the moment and I quit wow recently. I also played arena at high ratings. So no, it's not better than any mmo currently. Out of the top 3 mmos, WoW has the worst pvp by far.

Calling BS on that. Cataclysm balance and survivability is not bad at all. There are VERY few 2s and 3s matches where someone actually gets global'd, and if that happens, you're doing it wrong.



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If you watched any of the NAO tournament fights, they're all relatively long-lasting matches that require a ton of coordination. (All the vids I believe are up on the Curse youtube channel; youtube.com/user/CurseNetwork)

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This is a pretty bad QQ post, and it's not very constructive or helpful.
Resto Shamans are GOOD healers. Priests are GOOD healers. Paladins are GOOD healers. Druids are in a shitty state right now. Frost Mages do high burst that requires setup, aka you don't let a frost mage free cast on you, and you don't sit in the middle of a map eating shit. Rogues "immortal death gods ccing your entire 3s team" (Lol?).

I don't care what you're calling BS on, you have no leg to stand on. I didn't even mention burst, I mentioned balance. Certain classes are OP and have been that way for too long, even after they promised they'd be proactive in balancing pvp and attempting to balance all 30 specs in wrath. Guess they just gave up in cata. Obviously not worth subscribing then any more if you're a serious pvper.

[Medanielle]

I actually enjoy PvP right now, but there are some classes that are a little over the top. Rogues and actually warriors right now are pretty insane. Retadins are pretty dangerous too if you don't counter them during wings. And Blood DK's are wtf.

As a frost DK I don't have unreasonable trouble with anything else though.

If you're playing a warlock be prepared to cry many tears before you enjoy it though; it's one of the harder classes in PvP, but is still really excellent in 3v3 arena etc.

[Palli]

I actually enjoy PvP right now, but there are some classes that are a little over the top. Rogues and actually warriors right now are pretty insane. Retadins are pretty dangerous too if you don't counter them during wings. And Blood DK's are wtf.

As a frost DK I don't have unreasonable trouble with anything else though.

If you're playing a warlock be prepared to cry many tears before you enjoy it though; it's one of the harder classes in PvP, but is still really excellent in 3v3 arena etc.

It's posts like this that make it very hard to have constructive conversations and make it hard to figure out when someone is trolling. Warriors are one of the worse classes to play right now along with Restro druids. No one should be having a great deal of trouble with Warriors.

[Shekita]

Well, it's been a while (or at least it seems like it) since I've even thought about WoW.

Regardless, my busy schedule doesn't really allow for raids (unless this raid finder thing cuts down raiding to less than a 1.5-hour sitting), but I am considering coming back to WoW for PvP.

1. Is it as much of a clusterf*** as I remember from the very beginning of Cata, or has it improved? (If you don't think it was a clusterf*** like I did, you were probably more experienced than me).
2. Does it look like Blizzard is trying to balance out PvP for the upcoming expansion? (Haven't really looked into it at all).
3. Would you say coming back almost solely for PvP is a justifiable reason for re-subbing to World of Warcraft? Or is the endgame basically all raiding nowadays?
4. Do you feel that PvP in WoW has any sort of a balanced, competitive future?

Sorry for the relatively random questions. Thanks in advance for your time and opinion(s).

#1: 3's is the closest thing to balanced pvp, but it's still a cluster fuck.
#2: They're trying, but they've been trying to balance pvp for 7 years and still haven't got it right.
#3: No, pvp is definitely not in a state where it's worth coming back to play. Endgame is all raiding, unless you get a serious 3's team.
#4: No and no.

[Shaderas]

ill just leave this here for you to look at. http://www.arenajunkies.com/rankings/2v2/

look at the top 20 teams and tell me how many locks you see in 2v2. i think locks are in a fine place if you ask me sir.

and to the OP. PvP right now is pretty much the same since the start of this expansion. you still see mages and rogues and ferals as the most annoying things alive, blood dks are still a thorn in my side in 2v2 post vengence nerf (30k+ crits trololololol) but i still find alot of fun in it. gearing up right now will be sort of hard so if ur under the 377 ilvl for pvp gear id suggest investing in the vicious gear and farm honor like a baws for the 390 gear then work up to cataclysmic gear from conquest.

They dont balance around 2s... now take a look at 3s and 5s and you'll see that almost 90% of the top teams incorporate a lock.

[DrDorian]

Are feral druids op/nice in pvp? Been thinking of gearing my druid for pvp

[Stannis]

It's worse than swtor and rift, I'm playing both at the moment and I quit wow recently. I also played arena at high ratings. So no, it's not better than any mmo currently. Out of the top 3 mmos, WoW has the worst pvp by far.



I don't care what you're calling BS on, you have no leg to stand on. I didn't even mention burst, I mentioned balance. Certain classes are OP and have been that way for too long, even after they promised they'd be proactive in balancing pvp and attempting to balance all 30 specs in wrath. Guess they just gave up in cata. Obviously not worth subscribing then any more if you're a serious pvper.

You basically lost all your credibility there, no serious PVPer would ever consider SWTOR since it ridiculously terrible by every point of view.

[Whitey]

shamans are terrible in all aspects
warlocks are a joke

Shows how much you know.

[Praesidium25]

1. There are always annoyances in PvP, since it's impossible to balance for both. Recently it's been PvE trinkets that have been messing things up for people, but its getting under control now. The buff of ms-type debuffs to 25% has skewed the balance a bit but great players still overcome these apparent advantages.
2. I would say they are trying, it's too early to tell for sure though.
3. All the BGs I've been in recently have had tons of fresh 85s in them, but it could just be bad luck on my end. If you want to PvP only, Arenas and Rated BGs are the way to go if you would like to keep your sanity.
4. Not while PvE and PvP spells/skills remain identical. I feel that the Guild Wars 1 style pvp was better, where the skills behaved slightly differently in a pve or pvp environment. Theoretically this could make balancing tons easier.

[Timun]

Wow, thanks for all of the replies!

Hmm, I suppose I might head back and try out my Warlock, but I have never set foot in an arena (mostly BGs). I remember being absolutely locked down by decent rogues and DKs when I was without a healer (with a healer, unstoppable). Sad face.

[Torais]

Random BGs are little more then an honour farm for Rogues now. If you are coming back to WoW for PvP, you could not have picked a worse time.

[tinkabela]

imo warlocks are boring if you dont have a pocket healer, you will be targetted by everybody and zerged down fast

[Spurmwhale]

WoW PvP is the best it has ever been.

Getting outplayed by PvE trinkets.

We are now forced to raid again because everyone has PvE weapons, trinkets, and set bonuses that are simply much stronger than the pvp stuff.

Balance isnt better at all, there are a few classes which are on the top, and a few classes that are completely forgotten until MoP comes out.

The RBG stuff is fun at first, but once again some glaring imbalances come to light quickly. 1 of them being how games can sometimes be decided on the number of smoke bomb/shadowdances, and how there is practically zero drawback to bringing stupid shit like 3 mages.

If it wasnt for my girlfriend, i wouldnt be pvp'ing at all anymore. Now im just levelling heirloom alts so i can pick whatever is most OP in MoP. Fuck the haters.

lol-its-that-time-of-a-xpac-again-i-guess-where-they-put-in-new-PvE-gear/content-and-not-PvP-where-this-happens-every-time....its-amazing-to-me-how-Blizzard-repeats-the-same-issues-and-pretends-everything-is-working-as-intended....then-again-knowing-how-they-do-they're-probably-trying-to-force-everyone-into-their-new-PvE-content-thru-the-arms-race-of-better-gear....i-swear-the-more-i'm-away-from-WoW-the-more-nothing-changes-and-most-of-what-they-say-rarely-comes-true.

nice-to-see-they're-still-designing-everything-around-a-minority-of-players-as-well....lol@people-talking-about-2.3k+balance.

i-guess-GC-is-still-in-charge/facepalm