Heroic Ultraxion (Survival Question)

**Derivatives** · 2012-02-13, 06:59 PM

Is there a way that Warlocks can take a Hour of Twilight hit? My guild was hurting for people to do this on 25 heroic.

**Aethilus** · 2012-02-13, 07:01 PM

I haven't done it myself, but I assume that destro locks specced into nether ward/protection could time it appropriately so as to take one. Other than that I doubt you could do it without external cooldowns.

**Cyner** · 2012-02-13, 07:03 PM

Indeed you can do it as destro. I've soaked for my guild before, just pop nether ward ahead of time and have a healthstone ready for after just in case.

**Yoshimiko** · 2012-02-13, 07:05 PM

Originally Posted by Derivatives

Is there a way that Warlocks can take an Hour of Twilight hit? My guild was hurting for people to do this on 25 heroic.

Glyphed Soul Link(75k), Void Walker Sacrifice(10kish), Nether Ward(8841), priest bubble(30k) = 176k. If the 15% procs effects the initial spell, though, you can bring this down to ~140kish.

Warlocks are not very good for this for obvious reasons, but if you must - I suggest you be a Hand of Sac target, GA, or some other outside ability's target.

**Art3x** · 2012-02-13, 07:06 PM

You don't have rogues, shadow priests, paladins?

**Yoshimiko** · 2012-02-13, 07:07 PM

Originally Posted by Art3x

You don't have rogues, shadow priests, paladins?

25man, I highly doubt they have 15 rogue/spriests/paladins.

**Derivatives** · 2012-02-13, 07:07 PM

This is what I was thinking! Thanks. (Evil grin)

I guess I should of been more specific. We had exactly 15 soakers. If any of them were to die, we'd of been in trouble =p

Yesterday we had: 4 rogues, ~2 Paladins, 2 Spriests, 1 Hunter, 2-3 mages.

**Jellospally** · 2012-02-13, 07:10 PM

Originally Posted by Yoshimiko

Glyphed Soul Link(75k), Void Walker Sacrifice(10kish), Nether Ward(8841), priest bubble(30k) = 176k. If the 15% procs effects the initial spell, though, you can bring this down to ~140kish.

Warlocks are not very good for this for obvious reasons, but if you must - I suggest you be a Hand of Sac target, GA, or some other outside ability's target.

Yes a warlock can. You have no clue how to add things up. Don't add 8841 from Nether Ward. Add 30% spell damage reduction instead because thats what it does if you know how to actually use the spell right. This means the warlock has 25% and 30% reductions and you wouldn't need void walker sac...can't afford that kind of DPS loss on first kills of 25 heroic.

If you find yourself in a spot that you don't have 15 diff people who can soak every 2 minutes you can do a rotation like this

1. Paladins and
2. 5 people who can go again
3. Another set of 5 people who can go again
4. Group of 4 people + raid CDs
5. #2 people
6. #3 people
7. #1 people again with all thier CDs

You can do diff rotations or w/e, but this is sorta how my alt 25 guild has to do it because we only have 11 people who can go every 2 minutes but plenty of other people with long CDs that can go first and last.

**Cyner** · 2012-02-13, 07:11 PM

Originally Posted by Derivatives

This is what I was thinking! Thanks. (Evil grin)

I guess I should of been more specific. We had exactly 15 soakers. If any of them were to die, we'd of been in trouble =p

Yesterday we had: 4 rogues, ~2 Paladins, 2 Spriests, 1 Hunter, 2-3 mages.

If you have any Dk's that are willing to spec into Amz for the fight, that works well also.

Also on heroic we have our whole raid minus the last 5 people with the debuff stay out for one using a priest bubble cd.

**Yoshimiko** · 2012-02-13, 07:11 PM

Originally Posted by Derivatives

This is what I was thinking! Thanks. (Evil grin)

I guess I should of been more specific. We had exactly 15 soakers. If any of them were to die, we'd of been in trouble =p

Out of Curiosity, What is your raid comp? DKs, Warriors, Rogues, Mages, Hunters, Spriests, Paladins, Priests(Holy - GA, Disc - Pain Supp+bubble+aoe bubble, Shadow - dispersion), all take this better than you. The only class who is just as bad as you are is shaman. You are one of the worst possible classes for this.

Originally Posted by Jellospally

Yes a warlock can. You have no clue how to add things up. Don't add 8841 from Nether Ward. Add 30% spell damage reduction instead because thats what it does if you know how to actually use the spell right. This means the warlock has 25% and 30% reductions and you wouldn't need void walker sac...can't afford that kind of DPS loss on first kills of 25 heroic.

I wasn't aware Nether Protection worked on the spell it procced on(last time I played Lock was in wrath - It's been a while), and I also thought it was 15%. My mistake.

I added it up just fine, still doesn't change the fact that locks are one of the worst soakers.

**Art3x** · 2012-02-13, 07:15 PM

Originally Posted by Yoshimiko

25man, I highly doubt they have 15 rogue/spriests/paladins.

I overlooked the 25m part, but I was right anyway ;p

**Derivatives** · 2012-02-13, 07:16 PM

Here is our Comp:
http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/c...?s=6127&e=6258
It was a very failed attempt and people died early, but it shows the make up.

**Heatuss** · 2012-02-13, 07:21 PM

Originally Posted by Derivatives

Here is our Comp:
http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/c...?s=6127&e=6258
It was a very failed attempt and people died early, but it shows the make up.

With that comp you really shouldn't have to worry about having to take a soak. But to answer your question yes Soullink glyph and Netherward will allow you to soak just fine.

**Mcshiz** · 2012-02-13, 08:23 PM

I pop a shard+healthstone and stay outside with a paladin and i live with rough 30k heath.

**Mortalislol** · 2012-02-14, 02:22 AM

I've emergency soaked as destro with procc'ing Nether Protection before the Hour of Twilight combined with paladin sac and shadow priest shield. Lived with around ~50k health.

**zinnin** · 2012-02-14, 02:31 AM

You can easily do it but you have to make sure to cast nether ward before he starts casting hour of twilight. There is a tick of aoe right as he starts to cast hour of twilight that will allow you to have the 30% reduced damage from Nether Protection.

On our first kill we had 3 warlocks soaking it, with an aoe cooldown such as barrier, AMZ, Rallying cry or a priest sac I have come out of hour of twilight with 60% health still.

**nipil** · 2012-02-15, 03:45 PM

In all cases be sure to be topped off before the cast finishes.
Destro : Cast nether ward ~6 seconds before the start of the cast of hour of twilight, and you're safe without any external help
Demo / affli : you need approximately 60K of external absorb/reduction to survive.

**mitbrandir** · 2012-02-15, 04:33 PM

I had to do it as affi ( 10 heroic , tho ). The way we did this was: I used my shadow protection when he started to cast HoT so it wouldn't get comsumed by the aoe , and a disc priest used Pain Suppresion on me. I didnt watch if i got high shield absorbs but i assume i got them. I only had to soak one tho.

**Kilmir** · 2012-02-16, 11:04 AM

Originally Posted by zinnin

You can easily do it but you have to make sure to cast nether ward before he starts casting hour of twilight. There is a tick of aoe right as he starts to cast hour of twilight that will allow you to have the 30% reduced damage from Nether Protection.

On our first kill we had 3 warlocks soaking it, with an aoe cooldown such as barrier, AMZ, Rallying cry or a priest sac I have come out of hour of twilight with 60% health still.

This. My 10m has me soaking twice on our kills. All you need to really do is pop Ward a few seconds before Hour cast.
Our Holy Paladin often also tosses a sacrifice on me, but that's more a "just in case" then that it is actually needed to survive.

**Thustra** · 2012-02-16, 11:11 AM

Yep just pop netherward and make sure it procs protection and you're good to go.

The other specs need external help.

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