Garrosh as Warchief of the Horde: Do you think there's hope for him?

[rielthaskildogg]

I just forced myself to finish all the quests in Stonetalon Mountains on my new alt, and I'm glad I did, because in the ending sequence, I saw a side of Garrosh Hellscream I had not seen before. It led me to wonder if maybe there is hope for him becoming a wise leader of the Horde in his older age. We already know Thrall appointed him Warchief because he is a fearless warrior. We also know that to a point, warmongering is still heavily entrenched in the Horde culture (can you really imagine the Horde living in a world of Peace)? If he could become wise, and a better military tactitioner, is there hope of him becoming a near-perfect warchief for the Horde?

Until the episode at the end of the Stonetalon Mountains, I didn't think Garrosh's character was one who would learn or take into account the opinions of anyone else. Remembering his exchange with Saurfang in Gromash Hold, he sounded like a foolish, reckless, and disrespectful youth. (spoiler alert) However, at the end of the Stonetalon Mountains episode, Garrosh acts like a most honorable leader of the Horde, and refers to Saurfang as a "wise war hero who taught him the meaning of honor." That change of heart and show of maturity gave me a new outlook on the prospect of Garrosh being a Warchief for the remainder of the series.

What do you think guys? If Garrosh's character becomes wiser, and learns better military tactics in the next few expansions (or finally bows to a military advisor), could you see him leading the Horde in the final fight against Sargeras?

Rielthas Kildogg - Gnomeregon

[asher1611]

I did like that Stonetalon line because it does show him as something other than the sniviling wuss I always had seen him as in Nagrand.

However, he did completely disappear from the story in Cata, so I'm very cloudy about his future. I don't like him, but it looks like Thrall won't be taking the warchief mantle back any time soon -- or maybe he will.

[mistuhbull]

Garrosh will be a fantastic leader, if blizzard stops tossing his character around to every author who wants to put their personal opinion of Garrosh as canon and actually give him the time he needs to learn.

btw, this topic isn't ending well

[Zuben]

Garrosh will be a fantastic leader, if blizzard stops tossing his character around to every author who wants to put their personal opinion of Garrosh as canon and actually give him the time he needs to learn.

Couldn't have said it better myself. I hope Blizz themselves intend to make a better leader out of him. MoP being all about hostilities with Alliance there's plenty of opportunity for growth.

[ambigiouslynamed]

the end of the goblin starter experience implies garrosh tried to have thrall killed or at least captured so no

[asher1611]

the end of the goblin starter experience implies garrosh tried to have thrall killed or at least captured so no

Wow I must have missed that. Was that from when you deliver the package directly to him?

[MaotheKing]

No man, I just walked right in there and sat on his throne, he did nothing.

He's screwed.

[Gibzombie]

I hope sylvanas and vol'jin kill him.

[Mikey P]

So, of course, a race that constantly repeats "Victory or death" and "Blood and thunder!" are going to put their support behind Garrosh, who, well, instead of meekly saying "ZUG ZUG" like Thrall, is more into Lok'taring the Ogars with blood and thunder.

As long as he keeps on Lok'taring the Ogars, I see a bright future.

[Narveid]

I had hopes for him, unntil I did the intro quest to Twilight Highlands. He come across as a complete retard, and almost get himself killed. No respect for him after that.

[surafang]

the end of the goblin starter experience implies garrosh tried to have thrall killed or at least captured so no

I dont think this is true I mean about the part of Garrosh trying to have Thrall killed. His character is too stubbornly honorable and to give a tip to the the alliance which he hates so much on where to find and capture thrall. Also he has nothing but respect for Thrall if you read "Heart of War". I would interpret as the mighty Thrall almost getting taken back to stormwind as a trophy for Varian Wyrnn. I mean hell I would be like wtf if the strongest shaman in the world just got captured by a couple of soldiers.

I also hope he matures and comes out an leader like Orgrim Doomhammer right now he is comparable to Blackhand.

[Kenasan]

I'm definitely hoping he grows and learns over time and that they make up their mind about what they want him to be. He has the potential to be an even bigger badass if he matures.

[AdriWar]

Garrosh is appealing to the newest generation of Horde that are slowly breaking away from Thrall's traditional way. So I think Garrosh will be somewhat successful, the Horde needed change and they got it.

[Inahu]

Meh. I saw the Stonetalon questline as little more than a transparent attempt to redeem Garrosh in the eyes of players who hate him. It was completely out-of-character.

[JackTheLad]

Faction leaders of Cataclysm has really low impact on the lore this expansion only to be replaced by "demi-gods" and grand factions and nations.

[Trassk]

All the stonetalon questchain showed to me, as the watchful observer in this whole affair, was how much more of an inconsistant mess of a character Garrosh is, how he constantly changes his attitude and belief just to suit that part of the story. That is a tool, one who's only asset to the story is to develop other characters along.

When are people gonna get that? Thats what he is being used for, to make other characters develop, not to develop into something worthy.


And did you honestly miss the news of him ordering the destruction of Theramore? Theramore stood as the only hope of ending the conflict between horde and alliance for years, that Thrall and Jaina held, and Garrosh has outwardly bombed that, making the statement that war is the only thing he cares about.

You think a warmonger can last, that he'll mature? well newflash, its to late, he's already crossed the line.

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Meh. I saw the Stonetalon questline as little more than a transparent attempt to redeem Garrosh in the eyes of players who hate him. It was completely out-of-character.

Exactly, thats all it was, since that one thing he did there, could not cover up the fact it was his leadership that caused it to begin with, the death of those tauren and young night elves came down to his orders to attack stonetalon.

Everything Garrosh does is wrong. He orders stonetalon to be taken and rials up his warsong followers to attack and kill anything in there path, but then they kill tauren allies and defenseless night elf youths. He orders the goblin to produce weapons for his war, but the result causes the only fresh water supply in durotar to be poluted, so he orders the Tauren to give them water for his warmachine, despite the grief he's already caused them with the death of cairne and those tauren in stonetalon.
He orders his personal airfleet to attack the alliance, but leaves himself open and it comes down to us, the player, to set right his bs mistakes.

He's a trainwreck and the horde just looks piss poor because of him.

(I'm half expecting skytotem to attempt to counter this)

[Leonidas]

Stonetalon was severely out-of-character for him, don't take it into context or else you'll see the large amount of hypocrisy behind his actions there...

[Trassk]

Garrosh will be a fantastic leader, if blizzard stops tossing his character around to every author who wants to put their personal opinion of Garrosh as canon and actually give him the time he needs to learn.

btw, this topic isn't ending well

Thats just wishful thinking for someone who can't see the wood for the trees.

[Combatbulter]

Thats just wishful thinking for someone who can't see the wood for the trees.

Maybe maybe not, Garrosh could go down the same road his father did, since they are exactly the same. But Blizzard could decide to keep him around aswell let him see what his warmongering might cost his people and him coming to his senses realizing it was his fault and he has to fix it.

[Trassk]

Maybe maybe not, Garrosh could go down the same road his father did, since they are exactly the same. But Blizzard could decide to keep him around aswell let him see what his warmongering might cost his people and him coming to his senses realizing it was his fault and he has to fix it.

I won't throw it off, but the way I see it, he's already been classed as an inferior character by the design team, he's been set down as causing all this negative build up within the horde, which is set to get worse in mists, and honestly, the only excuse people have to liking him is because he acts like a warmonging bigot with delusions of grandeur just speaks poorly to the warcraft community as a whole.