Paladin Mixed rotation - Prot

[WoW6000]

Hey Paladins,
This is a post about rotations and that kind of stuff for a prot paladin ill start by saying that im decently geared
but i'm getting booted from dungeons i have a nice few pieces of DS gear on i dont know whether its due to threat or gear or what
I'll give you the link to his armory towards the end
But mainly this is a post about finding a well working Mixed Prot Pally Rotation (By Single and AoE One)
and im struggling to find a decent one none have worked for me yet, can you guys Help me out a bit?

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...Lolzors/simple - Link To Armory

Thanks WoW6000

[Ceilingpony]

Threat has a huge multiplier now (500% i think?) so unless you are not hitting the mobs at all, i can't imagine how you aren't keeping the aggro.

Stupid question, but are you using Righteous Fury?

Rotation is simple: Hammer - Judgement - Hammer - filler - Hammer - Shield of Righteous for AoE and Crusader Strike instead of Hammer for single target.

[jhelom]

Single Target: Crusader Strike > (choose one from priority list)
1> Shield of the Righteous (if you have full holy power) // or Word of Glory, when you can start weaving that into the rotation
2> Avenger's Shield
3> Judgement
4> Holy Wrath
Example: CS > AS > CS > Judge > CS > SotR > etc...

AoE Tanking: Try to keep Inquistion up and use HotR > AV > HR > etc...

If you're having trouble keep track of the mobs that is around you try gtting Tidy Plates/Threat Plates. That should help keep everything around you better organized.

[Viglante]

some people jsut don't like tanks with no enchants and loads of empty gem slots. the healer probably mentions it to the group and complains you will be "Imposible to heal" jsut because of a few gems and enchants, grab some enchants even if it's just 44 stamina armour kits although i would advise geting the correct helm/shoulder/leg enchant as those are the big ones.

[Erous]

You're getting kicked from dungeons for a different reason other than a rotation. My offspec is Prot and I'm a failure protadin...and I have never been kicked from a dungeon. I've also healed some really bad tanks and it takes a lot for me to boot someone.

My assumption is you're being kicked from a group or people are leaving because of the following:

1. You have no meta gem
2. You're using 2 DPS trinkets
3. You actually are missing some other sockets altogether
4. You're completely missing the correct gemming scheme
5. You have dps feet ring and relic
Edit: 6. Didn't realize you also had a dps helm, nevermind the missing meta.

You basically don't look like you know what you're doing as a tank just from giving you a once over. And TBH, joining a group with you I would think you just did this to get a faster queue time and probably are going to make the run turn into a disaster. I would more than likely leave before continuing.

[Fade to October]

You're getting kicked from dungeons for a different reason other than a rotation. My offspec is Prot and I'm a failure protadin...and I have never been kicked from a dungeon. I've also healed some really bad tanks and it takes a lot for me to boot someone.

My assumption is you're being kicked from a group or people are leaving because of the following:

1. You have no meta gem
2. You're using a 2 DPS trinkets
3. You actually are missing some other sockets altogether
4. You're completely missing the correct gemming scheme
5. You have dps feet ring and relic

You basically don't look like you know what you're doing as a tank just from giving you a once over. And TBH, joining a group with you I would think you just did this to get a faster queue time and probably are going to make the run turn into a disaster. I would more than likely leave before continuing.

This person is correct. If you want to be taken seriously, you need to gem your gear, put lesser enchants on your gear, and use proper gems. For gems use these: 1) Red (fine ember topaz), blue (puissant dream emerald), yellow (fractured amberjewel). Once you reach your CTC cap (102.4) and you will block every hit, you can gem stamina into blue and puissant into yellow and even parry/stamina into red.

Do not use strength, dodge, hit, parry, or expertise gems in your gear. If I entered a dungeon and saw your gear or gems, I would probably be worried. Many players get a bad impression if you cannot even gem gear properly. I suggest changing these things listed in the quote and my suggestions and you will get booted less often. Be sure you are using crusader strike on single targets (off cooldown) and hammer of the righteous for more than one mob (off cooldown). One you have three holy power, use shield of the righteous. If threat is an issue, that should solve it.

I would also change on glyph; hammer of wrath (major) to Holy Wrath (the one that stuns dragonkin and elementals). Much more beneficial in 5-mans than hammer of wrath.

[Saved]

instead of making a threat you should read http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...-more.-A-guide! will help you a bit.

btw about threat are you using http://www.wowhead.com/spell=25780 ?

[Nillo]

You're getting kicked from dungeons for a different reason other than a rotation. My offspec is Prot and I'm a failure protadin...and I have never been kicked from a dungeon. I've also healed some really bad tanks and it takes a lot for me to boot someone.

My assumption is you're being kicked from a group or people are leaving because of the following:

1. You have no meta gem
2. You're using 2 DPS trinkets
3. You actually are missing some other sockets altogether
4. You're completely missing the correct gemming scheme
5. You have dps feet ring and relic
Edit: 6. Didn't realize you also had a dps helm, nevermind the missing meta.

You basically don't look like you know what you're doing as a tank just from giving you a once over. And TBH, joining a group with you I would think you just did this to get a faster queue time and probably are going to make the run turn into a disaster. I would more than likely leave before continuing.

Because you totally need to be in 380+ gear, fully gemmed and enchanted for a freaking 5 man dungeon (or LFR for that matter which is just as easy)
Seriously I can't stand ppl inf LFD/LFR who complain about missing gems in low level gear you are going to swap out a few days later anyway...


So you're most likely getting kicked because you're playing bad (at least speaking for myself I will kick a tank doing less than 10k dps and losing aggro all the time) or because the ones you're grouped up with are like those 2 up there who inspect you the moment you enter the instance and cry because your gear is not enchanted.

[Saved]

Because you totally need to be in 380+ gear, fully gemmed and enchanted for a freaking 5 man dungeon (or LFR for that matter which is just as easy)
Seriously I can't stand ppl inf LFD/LFR who complain about missing gems in low level gear you are going to swap out a few days later anyway...

indeed is true ... but if ppl did normal dungeons ,get some gear and learn the basics of there role before queueing to hc's or lfr would help

[ZeroEdgeir]

So you're most likely getting kicked because you're playing bad (at least speaking for myself I will kick a tank doing less than 10k dps and losing aggro all the time) or because the ones you're grouped up with are like those 2 up there who inspect you the moment you enter the instance and cry because your gear is not enchanted.

Equally, they pointed out a nice list of his gear flaws: Something like almost half his gear is DPS and not Tank. That is pretty bad to even be going to tank with. Just cause someone gets a few tank items from LFG/LFR (moreso LFR), doesn't automatically make other pieces worthless.

Without even spending Valor Points...

2 DPS Trinkets - You can buy one from Molten Front for tanking, another from Tol Barad (still stupidly useful), one from JP (359), and one from Avengers of Hyjal (Revered, 378).

Tank Boots - 359 from Exalted Wildhammer, or 359 ones from JP (not as well-statted).
Tank Ring - 346 from Revered Therazane, 359 AND 378 for JP, as well as TWO tank rings fro, Molten Front (365).
Relic - 378 from JP (JP/VP is the only source for Relics above 346).
Helm - At least a 346 blue TANK helm would show you are gearing up for the role, and not just trying to queue faster cause your class CAN tank.

I've had tanks in a few blues tank LFR fine, cause they knew WHAT they were doing. Knowing what to do, and having gear that shows you do (even if it isn't all 378+), is more valued than just highest ilevel possible.

My Tank Spec: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...larus/advanced

4.3 as been horribly unkind to me in general for Prot (my Ret spec is the 387 spec), but I have yet to have a single healer complain about my gear or tanking (barring the one, under-geared, Spirit-low Druid healer back in 4.2 in a ZG run who ALWAYS went OOM every boss fight, and most trash pulls).

Get the RIGHT gear (not necessarily the best for that slot, but the RIGHT items for that slot), gem and enchant it right (even if not the top end enchants), and learn the fights. Tanks are typically expected to lead, and not be dicks.

[Erous]

Because you totally need to be in 380+ gear, fully gemmed and enchanted for a freaking 5 man dungeon (or LFR for that matter which is just as easy)
Seriously I can't stand ppl inf LFD/LFR who complain about missing gems in low level gear you are going to swap out a few days later anyway...

So you're saying for tanks, tanking in DPS gear is acceptable? The majority of the OP's gear is DPS. I can't imagine the dungeon going well when you have a tank in nearly full dps gear. It's funny though you complain about tanks with sub 10k dps though...so as long as they're getting destroyed in a dungeon, as long as their dps is okay they're fine.

That's just an odd way to look at things imo. If you're a tank, you shouldn't be tanking without TANK gear. Period.

[Nillo]

1) So you're saying for tanks, tanking in DPS gear is acceptable? The majority of the OP's gear is DPS. I can't imagine the dungeon going well when you have a tank in nearly full dps gear.
2) It's funny though you complain about tanks with sub 10k dps though...so as long as they're getting destroyed in a dungeon, as long as their dps is okay they're fine.

3) That's just an odd way to look at things imo. If you're a tank, you shouldn't be tanking without TANK gear. Period.

1) It's a freaking 5 man.... you could easily tank it in all dps gear. I've been tanking instances with my dk the moment I hit lvl 85 without problems (the only problem being people crying when they saw me @ <150k hp until they realized I was pretty easy to keep alive >_>). So yes tanking it in dps gear and unenchanted gear is completely acceptable as long as you know what you are doing...
2) Yeah... and how about the dps being destroyed because the tank loses aggro all the time? I'd rather have a tank that takes a little extra damage than one who loses aggro all the time and lets the dds take the damage.

3) My point is - gear doesn't really matter in a 5 man as long as you're at least mostly using tank gear and know what you're doing and the op's gear is good enough to tank lfr.

[underdogba]

The following thread is the definitive answer on everything relating to what the OP is asking --

http://maintankadin.failsafedesign.c...hp?f=6&t=29317

Theck has done more actual analytical work than any amount of thin generalizations possible in this thread could ever provide.

[Fade to October]

1) It's a freaking 5 man.... you could easily tank it in all dps gear. I've been tanking instances with my dk the moment I hit lvl 85 without problems (the only problem being people crying when they saw me @ <150k hp until they realized I was pretty easy to keep alive >_>). So yes tanking it in dps gear and unenchanted gear is completely acceptable as long as you know what you are doing...
2) Yeah... and how about the dps being destroyed because the tank loses aggro all the time? I'd rather have a tank that takes a little extra damage than one who loses aggro all the time and lets the dds take the damage.

3) My point is - gear doesn't really matter in a 5 man as long as you're at least mostly using tank gear and know what you're doing and the op's gear is good enough to tank lfr.

I am an excellent tank and I was booted on my warrior for having a green dps helm but the rest was epic tank gear... So it is a big deal to some people unfortunately.

[learntotank]

You hardly have any gems or enchants and you're lacking gear that you can craft that you probably will never replace. If you want to know about you're priorities go to maintankadin. I'm sure even with gear you'd still have issues so just read up on stuff.

-Estra

[jhelom]

Too much stuff to type here. Go to http://www.askmrrobot.com/ and type in your character info there then push the optimize button. That should help as far as gems/enchants/reforging goes.