Ultraxion 10 Heroic - DPS issue or healing issue?

[Kpal11]

Hey guys,

Working on Ultraxion 10m Heroic - I'm unsure whether it is a healing issue or a DPS issue.

We get pretty far sometimes and we always wipe really close to the end because the healing just gets out of hand crazy, but sometimes people make mistakes and we don't reach that part...

http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/r...ses&boss=55294

These are the logs for the fight, I'm unsure whether it's a DPS issue or a healing issue. Just so you know, we benched our other S-Priest for the assass rogue so that we could get the +8% magic bonus - I'm ArchAngel in the logs. The mage does have the legendry, which is why, I assume, he is pulling a significant amount more DPS. But for the overall part, healing or DPS issue.

We have had around 30-40 attempts on this boss, the closest being at 2.1%. Also, if theres any S-Priest readint this, is my dps good at 34-36k on this fight with 395 ilevel? No legendry, di, etc. I'm just curious whether I can push it up more. Char: ArchAngel.

Anyways, cheers guys.

[Bishy]

according to the logs, your healers are pulling enough HPS to keep ppl up past 5: 40 (around 80k in total I remember)

but dps is a bit low, especially the rogue, Ive never seen a rogue with such low dps trying Ultraxion H before

[natureca]

Your rogue's dps seems a bit low to me, I believe for going with 2 healers you want every single one of your dps to be close to at least 30k. Our raid this week we actually did the fight with 1 healer, took us a bit to adjust but we downed it once people didn't miss clicking their buttons.

Our raid though has multiple people above 30k with our top 5 being over 33k dps, only myself and the boomkin were sub 33k and I am for about 90% of our raid a healer with very poor elemental gear. I had pulled 32k on an earlier attempt, what I think looking at the log's is that your just not pulling the dps to complete it before it becomes unbearable to heal.

You really want people doing roughly around the 30k mark as your lowest dps if you want to kill the boss. What we normally have is a Holy pally + shaman shock spec'd for the +30% healing rain, and more dps, he basically just does as much dps as he can, snipes some heals and puts the extra powerful healing rain down.

I'll provide our logs for ya, from the past 2 weeks one where we kill him with one healer and the other with our more normal comp with 2 healers. Our Spriest has the legendary so I think your dps is pretty good not having it.

One Healer: http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/d...?s=7632&e=7923

Two Healer: http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/c...=11676&e=11992

Good luck

[Kpal11]

Cheers guys - and I know what you said about the rogue, but he's a guy in our guilds 3rd 85, that we sniped purely for the +8% magic buff, so all the casters were gaining 1-2k dps * 4, so say +6-8k dps losing about 2-3k dps. If our other raider had an 8% magic buff, we would definatly take him, but he doesn't unfortunately.

I guess we just need to push out more dps somewhere then, most likely by gearing the rogue a bit, as our roaster choice is extremely limited.

Cheers guys.

---------- Post added 2012-02-14 at 06:25 AM ----------

Cheers guys - and I know what you said about the rogue, but he's a guy in our guilds 3rd 85, that we sniped purely for the +8% magic buff, so all the casters were gaining 1-2k dps * 4, so say +6-8k dps losing about 2-3k dps. If our other raider had an 8% magic buff, we would definatly take him, but he doesn't unfortunately.

I guess we just need to push out more dps somewhere then, most likely by gearing the rogue a bit, as our roaster choice is extremely limited.

Cheers guys.

[Desdonde]

Glendor's DPS can improve a bit, he's averaging 30-32k, as a fire mage it really should be higher, is he prepotting, flasking, food buff? If so, then perhaps the other mage should help him out with his rotation, because he's doing something wrong.

That rogue is completely holding you back, I've never seen any rogue with such low DPS, I'm not sure what he is doing wrong since I've never played a rogue, but yeah...

Healers are doing fine, just need to pick up the DPS.

[coolye]

Try #2, i first thought the rogue died early but....326 sec he was alive

I think its a mixture of both, once u get passed 5:30 sec healing gets crazy

I see that on some attempts u almost killed it and u only had 1 attempt past 5 min 30 sec but dps was really low on that attempt.

If u guys can keep all 10 ppl alive past 5 min 30 sec im sure u can down it.

Goal - keep all 10 ppl alive past 5 min 30 sec and prob need atleat 230k-240k total dps

[Aoyi]

Post nerf, your dps only needs to pull 32233 dps to get the kill at the berserk timer. Obviously you'll want to kill it before healing gets out of control, so 34,000 is a good number to shoot for. The tanks combined dps should be around 34,000 as well. Pre-nerf it was actually roughly 34,000 for the berserk timer kill, so guilds were shooting for 36-37k to get it before it got too crazy.

[RavenGage]

I think its both.

Your rogue is low, as is your 2nd fire mage and your feral tank. That tank should be able to do at least 25k, a fearl should NEVER get out DPSed by a Prot Pally.

Is your priest taking blue crystal? He should be, and druid should take red. You should also be using your 2nd healer bloodlust at 5:00, you are actually using it way too early or not at all.

[Kpal11]

I think its both.

Your rogue is low, as is your 2nd fire mage and your feral tank. That tank should be able to do at least 25k, a fearl should NEVER get out DPSed by a Prot Pally.

Is your priest taking blue crystal? He should be, and druid should take red. You should also be using your 2nd healer bloodlust at 5:00, you are actually using it way too early or not at all.

Sorry if I'm being stupid but... 2nd healer blood lust? I'm not following... :/

[Xcuse]

Sorry if I'm being stupid but... 2nd healer blood lust? I'm not following... :/

On pull: healers use heroic will, mage uses Bloodlust for dps, dps goes to town with BL + Prepot + Cooldowns

~4:50: Other mage / Shaman uses Bloodlust for healers

[Kpal11]

On pull: healers use heroic will, mage uses Bloodlust for dps, dps goes to town with BL + Prepot + Cooldowns

~4:50: Other mage / Shaman uses Bloodlust for healers

Mate ... I bow down before you - that's the kill, that will make 2.1% difference thanks so much man ... And I think that answers your previous question - no, we were not using a healer bloodlust

[RavenGage]

And I think that answers your previous question - no, we were not using a healer bloodlust

That'll do it for you then : ) 30% haste for both healers will get you over the hump. Good luck.

[asharia]

heals should be able to keep you going until the enrage

but, if you're 2 healing, you shouldnt really get that close. should be dead before 5:30 at least

[kbyelol]

I'm pretty sure assassination is pure shit for ultraxion because you cannot backstab under 35%. That rogue should deff be Combat.

This weeks kill(1 healer): http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/r...?s=2764&e=3027

Rogue is an alt and the boomkin is in his offspec.

[Proberly]

Hey guys,

Working on Ultraxion 10m Heroic - I'm unsure whether it is a healing issue or a DPS issue.

We get pretty far sometimes and we always wipe really close to the end because the healing just gets out of hand crazy, but sometimes people make mistakes and we don't reach that part...

http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/r...ses&boss=55294

These are the logs for the fight, I'm unsure whether it's a DPS issue or a healing issue. Just so you know, we benched our other S-Priest for the assass rogue so that we could get the +8% magic bonus - I'm ArchAngel in the logs. The mage does have the legendry, which is why, I assume, he is pulling a significant amount more DPS. But for the overall part, healing or DPS issue.

We have had around 30-40 attempts on this boss, the closest being at 2.1%. Also, if theres any S-Priest readint this, is my dps good at 34-36k on this fight with 395 ilevel? No legendry, di, etc. I'm just curious whether I can push it up more. Char: ArchAngel.

Anyways, cheers guys.

Watching your best try at 05:32 atm. Your raid dps is very low. Your rogue is being carried, he should be doing at LEAST 30-35k dps with his gear. Your mage is also doing sub-par for his gear, in fact most people in the raid are :P. But the rogue really stands out.

I'm pretty sure assassination is pure shit for ultraxion because you cannot backstab under 35%. That rogue should deff be Combat.

This weeks kill(1 healer): http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/r...?s=2764&e=3027

Rogue is an alt and the boomkin is in his offspec.

stealth brag xD

[psyquest]

Watching your best try at 05:32 atm. Your raid dps is very low. Your rogue is being carried, he should be doing at LEAST 30-35k dps with his gear. Your mage is also doing sub-par for his gear, in fact most people in the raid are :P. But the rogue really stands out.

dps is too low.

rogue and many others are too low. When we first killed ultraxion we had 3 people around 41k dps with the lowest arount 38k dps.

You need to work on your dps, this tier is all about the skill of your dps meeting a certain level to get kills.

As a raid lead this is what needs doing:
re check the spec and gemming of everyone.
re check the strategy: how are they dealing with their dps uptime. are they leaving at the last minute to not be killed by ultraxion cast?
try having a tank with some dps gear. works well with a blood dk.

Good luck

[BeerWolf]

Ultraxxion hc is a DPS race... the longer the fight, the harder it gets - even good healers can only handle so much before they're overwhelmed.

The most obvious point to your fights is that your rogue is doing really low dps [20k, really?]... shamefully so if he's on the quest towards the legendary daggers [which is incredibly easy to get for the first part...].

Tell him/her to start shaping up...!


Here's a little tip to help out, if you haven't yet:

Before the fight start [at roughly 3 seconds before actual fight starts], or designate a number of seconds into the fight to have people stack up their buffs/debuffs etc., have your healers teleport out. When they're outside, pop blood lust. This way, the healers don't get the debuff of it, so you can pop bloodlust again for them later on!

[Cowmmunion]

It's a DPS and a healing issue. You aren't making 5:30 and you aren't breaking 230k dps. On one of your pulls you did get up to 239k dps which was doable, except you then wiped at 5:24 (which is way too early). Do as beerwolf says - get the bloodlust for the DPS at the start, and then the healers at the five minute mark. Your DPS needs to be on their game every pull, and the healers need to keep them up to the 5:40 mark or so - which is precisely the duration of a bloodlust after the 5 minute mark.

[Kpal11]

I guess ill try and help out the rogue a bit then - I use an assass rogue for our alt runs and pull 50k on single target zonozz and 31k on ultrax with 385 ilev + daggers - another thing with the rogue though - he changed to assass from combat like 10 minutes before we started so we could get the 8% magic buff - I'm not surprised his dps is low tbd as its his first time playing that spec on his alt