New LFR Rule? Can't roll on worse gear

[Scathbais]

Except getting your 2 or 4 set from 384 would be an upgrade over the vp gear, not to mention off set loot

^Actually this sums it up nicely.

I had full 391 heroic gear from FL (except the helm off Heroic Rag). "Downgrading" to full LFR 384 tier was a huge (i.e. 6% ish) damage increase.
Upgrading from 391 trinkets to 384 WoU and CoC was also an upgrade.


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[ssviolett]

hah, gl with getting 390+ people in your lfr raid.

[-Alcatraz-]

^Actually this sums it up nicely.

I had full 391 heroic gear from FL (except the helm off Heroic Rag). "Downgrading" to full LFR 384 tier was a huge (i.e. 6% ish) damage increase.
Upgrading from 391 trinkets to 384 WoU and CoC was also an upgrade.


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That's correct actually most T13 Destroys 391 Heroic by a decent margin. Despite the higher ilvl; Gear pieces aren't always better because well It has more stats due to the ilvl OP

[Deja Thoris]

personally i think there should be a system like(dps for example):

1) sees how much every DPS failed
2) sees how much dmg every DPS did
3) sees if they have had looted any better item for X slot since the character was created
4) assumes specs differences, haste caps, crit caps, hit caps, etc
5) runs a BiS list for each DPS to see who will benefit the most(including gear in bags/bank)

and then derives a coefficient and automatically distributes the loot. no rolling, no bidding, no ninjaing and selling items. also remove the ability to trade them for 2 hours after looted.

seems like the place to start ^

Who gives a shit who failed and who did what dps? It's not a merit based system so its completely irrelevant. Your problem is that you think it is or should be. It isn't and blizzard doesn't think it should be.

As to the OP, the dead horse has been flogged. Apart from the fact I can just rock up with dungeon gear, I may want to roll for an offspec, hell even transmog is a legitimate excuse however little you may like it.

[lunchbox2042]

I've started noticing a trend that the worst dps you do, the higher your rolls are. It makes getting those upgrades to help my guild a bit harder to get when every 10k or less dps is winning items that would help me a lot more than it would help them.

[Scathbais]

personally i think there should be a system like(dps for example):

1) sees how much every DPS failed
2) sees how much dmg every DPS did
3) sees if they have had looted any better item for X slot since the character was created
4) assumes specs differences, haste caps, crit caps, hit caps, etc
5) runs a BiS list for each DPS to see who will benefit the most(including gear in bags/bank)

and then derives a coefficient and automatically distributes the loot. no rolling, no bidding, no ninjaing and selling items. also remove the ability to trade them for 2 hours after looted.

seems like the place to start ^

The problem with this method is that you can't force us to join your LFR just so you can get gear upgrades. So let's say you enforce these rules. Welcome to long LFR queues and a larger portion of baddies in your raid group.

If we don't have the option of rolling on OS gear, transmog gear, gear for our guildies, then we won't queue up at all. You destroy the "economy" so to speak by taking away the incentives of the producers to produce.

[passetto]

i go into lfr and roll need on everything i can. i then trade what i can and give the rest away. im sorry but i won the roll its my gear to do what i want with it. i put as much effort into the raid if not more to get the gear. i have topped meters for weeks and well simple thing is that im not going to let a warrior doing less dps than the tanks win a piece so help me god. on top of that their are too many pvp geared people in there as well or ppl carrying 377blue items in their bags.

[Ethes]

I personally still think it's stupid I can't queue up as healer 401 item level and roll on ret gear. Sorry, but thats the only reason I go there. I get moaned at for rolling on ret gear (as in, tier tokens as they're the only thing I can really roll for), but it's the reason I go there. There is not a single item from LFR which is an improvement for my holy set and to add to that, going as holy means more people are able to get into a LFR (as there is always shortage for healers), I can perform my role better and for me it means a faster queue.

But obviously I'm a ninja, asshole, fucker, retard and some more as I win a token over the shadowpriest who's pulling 15k dps on ultraxion and I already have actual tier there.

So dear looking for raiders, I have a welcoming message for you. I'm not there anymore for you to heal your ass through anything you're to shit for to do. Next time when you whipe on ultraxion cause pressing a button is too hard I'll just be glad im not there.

Back on topic; personally I think if this rule would be enforced looking for raid will become even more crappy and receipe for disaster than it already is!

[Fatirish]

Solution: Queue with friends who no longer need gear, stack the odds in your favour.
Solution: Do normal raids. The atmosphere is better. The gear is better. The bosses are more interesting. The loot distribution should be more fair.
Solution: Drop queue and re-queue if there are too many of your class present in the raid.

My question to you: If you are doing LFR, and you so terribly need gear, what are you gearing up for? Anyone who has gear to do LFR is capable of clearing normal mode, maybe heroic morchok as well.

Stop complaining that you don't have any 'chance to win loot'. Your chance to win loot is always 1/x (where x is similar classes rolling). Until you bring friends to assist, your chance to win loot will REMAIN at 1/x. Learn how the system works and make it work for you.

[Pancha]

I do not agree on this idea. It simply won't work.

[Vantheus]

LFR is working fine, if the gear is that big Raid for it, too many whiners in WoW now they should just remove it altogether and let fail players keep their heroic gear...LFR is fast valor and alt gear, nothing more, nothing less

[Bigsilly]

completely true, my fury war for example has a 403 guth and a 397 axe, yet getting the 390 gurth would still be an upgrade for me over the axe

#1 Fury is inferior to Arms, #2 the proc happens so much less that the 397 is better in the OH

[Terrorsquid]

ok ok ok, where to start.
1) Tier bonuses. The top guilds in the world exploited LFR so they could get the tier sets, despite going from ilvl 391 to 384. I think a specific example was mages set bonus for hagara (i dont know why, or what the set bonus is, but it happened)
2) I could have an ilvl 391 from heroic FL, but if it has crit and hit and I am over hit cap already, It would be best to downgrade to a 384 or 390 with haste and mastery.
3) It is good to have alternate pieces of gear to play around with. For example, during Wrath, I got a new set of gear that I specced for armour pen (RIP) so I could try it out and switch between the two in raids.
4) I like having epics in my bank

[Suizid]

Having greater chance of getting loot or having greater chance to actually kill something in LFR? I'm sure none of the good geared people would even bother going to LFR if they weren't allowed to roll on anything.

[bobyboucher]

My question to you: If you are doing LFR, and you so terribly need gear, what are you gearing up for? Anyone who has gear to do LFR is capable of clearing normal mode, maybe heroic morchok as well.

Not sure about others but I know for myself I run lfr to try and get off spec gear. Sure I can tank all the normal modes and heroics that we do in my tank gear but with the system blizz implemented only needing 1 tank on some fights there really isn't much of an option but to use LFR for off spec gear while your main raid still needs the 397 tokens for main spec upgrades.

On the topic of you cant roll if you have better... define better! if better = higher Ilevel then its a failed system as it dose not take item stats or secondary stat requirements into account.Say I have a 397 Haste expertise item and a 384 Hit crit item drops for arms spec... the 384 is better than the 397 if I'm expertise capped without that slot!

[Whitedebbie]

I have every intention of needing the boots and belt, simply because the graphic on the valor pieces doesn't match the lfr tier set coloring. So yeah, i "need" it for transmog. :P I do think it would be fair if I were to not receive the need bonus, being they're not upgrades but "can't roll", no, not cool.

[Chaoslux]

No matter how you look at it, if you do LFR and nothing else, LFR is sucessful because you have a CHANCE at the loot.
Even if the odds never improves, its better than not even dreaming of getting remotely close to getting that loot.

[davep]

LFR was made so the people who cry about Normal and Heroic Raids being difficult can actually see the content, not so you can get free loot. Just keep doing LFR and you will eventually get what you want or trade for what you want with pieces you roll for that you don't need.

[-Alcatraz-]

LFR was made so the people who cry about Normal and Heroic Raids being difficult can actually see the content, not so you can get free loot. Just keep doing LFR and you will eventually get what you want or trade for what you want with pieces you roll for that you don't need.

Personally it shouldn't have given loot in the first place, As you've stated It's there to see content. The loot was just a +

[TheyCallMeTarzan]

good point - tier tokens excepted then.

What about trinkets?

Also, how would you define "better"? Item level alone can't do it. And how would you make the game select who's eligible? If you do it according to equipped gear, people will just downgrade the slots they're hunting items for. If you use a "a higher level of this piece of armor already exist in your inventory", well I'd hate to be a PvP'er then as they generally have higher gear levels in LFR. It simply would not work in a fair way.

Last but not least - and I know a lot of people will consider it unfair - if players want to collect the sets just for the looks or fun or whatever, then they're entitled to do that if the selected loot system allows it.

LFR is a loot piñada for a lucky few in each raid. Be glad if you get something, but if you want some real gear I suggest you start raiding for real. That's how it has always been.