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  1. #241
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    I agree. In fact, it makes me want to cry when healing LFR madness is harder than 2 healing normal madness, that's just how bad these people are.
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  2. #242
    i think it is good for ppl like my wife who don't raid but want to play with me so ill do lfr with her and its also easy fucking gear for alts.

  3. #243
    The biggest problem with lfr (imo of course) is that they made it necessary for real raiders to run it. It's a ridiculously easy encounter which should be set aside for ridiculously "challenged" players, and not something required for people who know not to stand in fire just to get their set bonus. Take the tier loot out, the ilvl is fine but make it all non set. That way the players that way outgear it aren't forced to deal with people who barely meet the reqs to get in, and vice-verse.

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    LFR is breeding a new generation of talentless, mindless one-shot-kill-or-go-home raiders.
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  5. #245
    I'm sorry but anyone saying lfr is a good stepping stone to get into normals is either insane or clueless. Prime example, on Blackhorn in Normal and Heroic the object of the entire encounter is to stack an the missles inc., on lfr the object is to avoid it. It doesn't train them for anything at all. Litterally at all.

  6. #246
    LFR makes bad habits and gives the lesser player a sense of entitlement. Only good thing LFR did was making gearing alts easy.

  7. #247
    Quote Originally Posted by ShitShyShoes View Post
    LFR is breeding a new generation of talentless, mindless one-shot-kill-or-go-home raiders.
    In my experience, the people most likely to ragequit after a wipe are the raid geared elitists who usually mention something about "fail" and "baddies" before they leave in a huff. Oh, and there's a high chance they'll post meters before they leave.

    Was it this thread or another LFR-bashing thread where some elite raider was complaining about how his crappy LFR group wiped 3 times on a boss. 3 times!!

    ---------- Post added 2012-02-17 at 12:43 AM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by Nephlim View Post
    I'm sorry but anyone saying lfr is a good stepping stone to get into normals is either insane or clueless. Prime example, on Blackhorn in Normal and Heroic the object of the entire encounter is to stack an the missles inc., on lfr the object is to avoid it. It doesn't train them for anything at all. Litterally at all.
    The object of LFR Blackhorn is the same. It's just that the small missles don't do any damage to the ship so it's easier to just avoid them. But if enough people don't gather on large missles, you will not beat the boss.

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    how can anyone get better when everything is handed out to them on a silver platter u can be shit at this game and thats ok because blizz love ur money, there is no reason to progress anymore LFR gives u everything u need. GG blizz GG

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucarocks92 View Post
    how can anyone get better when everything is handed out to them on a silver platter
    I'd say half of those with such attitudes were carried through.

    It was evident with Ruby Sanctum when they kept dying on the cutters, something overgearing couldn't overcompensate.

    Can't wait for the dungeon challenge modes. Seperate the men from the boys (and hope the date of the challenge completion is in big bold numerals, and a special mark if done in LFG [much harder than guildies carrying guildies through, too]).

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    Quote Originally Posted by SamR View Post
    Was it this thread or another LFR-bashing thread where some elite raider was complaining about how his crappy LFR group wiped 3 times on a boss. 3 times!!
    lololol

    I'm glad that you'd think I'm an elite raider, SamR. But hate to break your bubble, I'm totally casual...and the raid died 3x on the first boss in 3 back-to-back LFR raids as they hit the ENRAGE timer with the top DPS being 29k.

    They couldn't down the first boss, there's no way they would've survived Deathwing -- us healers even did a whopping 151k (HM level) HPS -- to try to carry them through, but you can't with an ENRAGE timer.
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  10. #250
    LFR didn't change anything, it just made it obvious that people in general seriously fucking suck. There's also no way in hell that anyone can teach people how to play or how to raid when they fail in LFR which is another thing that was made obvious.
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  11. #251
    Quote Originally Posted by Madruga View Post
    LFR is fine and doesn´t need to be looked at.

    It served its purpose, now everybody can see content and pretty much raid whenever they want. Also, I don´t take your point in saying it doesn´t prepare people to normal mode... Before LFR, there was NOTHING that could prepare you to raid, but to raid itself... LFR, if anything, gives at least an idea of how the real fight is gonna be like; I also found it easier to explain the fight to newcomers when comparing the mechanics to the LFR version.

    And lastly, LFR stopped the bleeding of subs... With the coming of SWTOR, you could expect an earthquake in the number of subs, but the decrease was minimal. Expect more easy content in the future; the days of hard WOW are over.
    Finally some one that gets it. LFR is about broadening choices when before there was none. You don't like it don't play it, your old options are still there untouched and as good as they have ever been.

    Quote Originally Posted by shammypowa View Post
    LFG tool would be flawless - if there was actual consequences for bad behavior and cross-server chat and friends list to strength community and encourage socialization.
    Totally agree, i do to believe this is one of the main reasons why the social aspect of the game has gone a little downhill.


    Quote Originally Posted by dahmer View Post
    LFR didn't change anything, it just made it obvious that people in general seriously fucking suck.
    I bet you feel you're so awesome know right? If you need to brag or bashing others over a game that does not make you very smart or successfully in real life.

    If the majority suck they suck, you don't interact with them in reg/heroics so what is your problem?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oradraffe View Post
    MoP is not happening i can promise that.
    Quote Originally Posted by Tric619 View Post
    Been playing since week 1 and still believe Mop is the next expac? >.>
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    MoP will never be a WoW expansion. Feel free to flame and ridicule me should I be proven wrong.

  12. #252
    I can honestly NOT see how LFR ruined anything ?
    It's an opportunity for non-raiding players to see the content.
    People can get some "okay" gear.
    If you don't like it, don't use it, it's really simple.
    But of course, some people will always hate, when others get the opportunity to gear up cause then they're not as awesome anymore..

  13. #253
    Quote Originally Posted by Alcatraz_ View Post
    I'll agree with you here OP, It really does need to be looked at I mean really you can Ignore most of the mechanics in LFR. That doesn't teach anyone to raid but ignore mechanics.

    An example Ultraixion's thing should of been 1 shot. It ISN'T hard to press a button right... right?

    No It actually is hard; Hell even semi-hc people have trouble pressing it but that's another story.

    The ball upon Warlord Zon'ozz automatically bounces itself for you -.- Really? It's a straight tank and spank. I can name more examples but I'm just lazy atm
    Clearly you don't get the Ultraxion mechanic either...

    ---------- Post added 2012-02-17 at 11:09 AM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by Eon Drache View Post
    Deathwing is one of the fights that only had numbers changed. The fight sucks on LFR, it sucks on Normal Mode just as much. I feel like shit knowing I waited a year to kill.... his limbs? Never once seeing his face out of both encounters?

    They need to make the mechanics do the same thing. Just not as much damage going out for them. Stuff like Ice Wall should still one shot you, but stuff like Yorsah'j and Zon'ozz didn't need their mechanics completely butchered.

    I think it did a lot more good than bad.
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  14. #254
    Quote Originally Posted by esmifra View Post
    I bet you feel you're so awesome know right? If you need to brag or bashing others over a game that does not make you very smart or successfully in real life.

    If the majority suck they suck, you don't interact with them in reg/heroics so what is your problem?
    So what you're saying is that you know they suck but I'm not allowed to say it?
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  15. #255
    What I'm saying is that you didn't contributed nothing to the discussion and only said that.
    So what was the reason to post one line bashing other players if not to feel superior to them?
    Let them be bad (if they are) in their little corner, as long as they enjoy themselves. No need to bash anyone.

    If you are super uber you don't need LFR.

    Like i said before and you quoted:

    I bet you feel you're so awesome know right? If you need to brag or bashing others over a game that does not make you very smart or successfully in real life.
    If the majority suck they suck, you don't interact with them in reg/heroics so what is your problem?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oradraffe View Post
    MoP is not happening i can promise that.
    Quote Originally Posted by Tric619 View Post
    Been playing since week 1 and still believe Mop is the next expac? >.>
    Quote Originally Posted by Feyrzhuk View Post
    MoP will never be a WoW expansion. Feel free to flame and ridicule me should I be proven wrong.

  16. #256
    LFR has done a great deal of harm. All the energy spent by people crying about LFR could have gone to developing space exploration or curing diseases. I don't mean that the people QQ'ing would have done those productive things. I mean the electricity, food, water, and air could have gone to more productive pursuits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EdisonTrent View Post
    I don't exactly see a downside to more casual or less dedicated raiders having the opportunity to learn content, and possibly even get into "proper" raiding, seems like it's win/win, you get another to fill out your roster, and they get to raid.
    its too easy that the only problem with it. I dont mind that casuals get to see what the content looks like, but i dont want raidleaders telling members to do LFR to learn tactics.
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  18. #258
    Quote Originally Posted by Mexa View Post
    its too easy that the only problem with it. I dont mind that casuals get to see what the content looks like, but i dont want raidleaders telling members to do LFR to learn tactics.
    That is a "raid leader" issue not a LFR issue. LFR is not to learn tactics is for players to experience content that they would otherwise not be able to.
    Last edited by esmifra; 2012-02-17 at 11:51 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Oradraffe View Post
    MoP is not happening i can promise that.
    Quote Originally Posted by Tric619 View Post
    Been playing since week 1 and still believe Mop is the next expac? >.>
    Quote Originally Posted by Feyrzhuk View Post
    MoP will never be a WoW expansion. Feel free to flame and ridicule me should I be proven wrong.

  19. #259
    LFR is perfect as it is.

    LFR IS NOT THERE TO TRAIN PEOPLE TO NORMALS.

    LFR is there for people that cant have a schedule to raid either because that person doesnt have fixed job times or because that person can only connect in weird times. And for the ones that just want some fun without much thinking.

  20. #260
    There should've been an option back at vanilla when you selected a server where they asked

    Select your game difficulty:
    Easy - Medium - Hardmode

    Resulting in just 1 difficuly per realm = problem solved
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    But do they have data showing how much fun players are having? Because surely that's what counts. You could have a game where only 1% of players can do the top raid but still everybody's having fun, and you could have a game where 100% of the players see everything but they're all bored and whining and quitting. Fun can't be quantified with straight-up data, and trying to use statistics to measure fun is a dangerous logical minefield.
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