No full dual-spec (advanced class dual spec) in the near future - thoughts?

[philefluxx]

Don't know how many times it needs to be said, the Advanced Class is not a spec, its a class. So no there will be no Dual Class options. You people just cant let this go can you?

[lordjust]

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For AC Respecs before 50

1. AC Respecs are allowed up to level 42 and locked when your character hits 43
2. Respecs cost 150,000 Credits for the first time
3. Respecs cost 500,000 for the second

For AC Respecs at 50

1. Implement a Token system for AC respecs
2. No Character can hold more than 2 tokens
3. Tokens have a CD of 1-3 months
4. Characters are granted tokens every 6 months or whenever there is a major overhaul done on your AC

I think that would be a very bad idea because the advanced classes have completely different playstyles. Let's take a counselor. As a sage you area healer or ranged dps and as a shadow you are a tank or melee dps. If you could change your class you would have to learn it completely from the beginning because they are completely different. It would really be like playing a warrior in wow and you could just say "hey I change it now into a paladin or deathknight or whatever".

Your advanced class is your class. If you choose sage then sage is your class and if you choose shadow shadow is your class and nothing else. The fact that both start as a counselor is just because with this way Bioware can save money because they just had to do 8 stories total than 16.

[Migey]

I have always seen the AC's as completely different classes. Some are more similar then others, sharing one spec and base abilities, but say, the shared tree Madness for the Sorceror and Assassin is very different - a good 3/4/5 talents are completely different or changed for one AC, and they also play incredibly differently. With the Operative/Sniper the Lethality AC plays very differently too, (although its unfairly in favour of the Sniper). The ACs are different classes. Allowing us to change AC would be equivalent to allowing us to change class.

That said they really need to make it clearer that the two ACs are really different classes, and it would have been nice to have a bit more recognition, for example for the Inquisitor, to have Lord Zash speak to you about the two ACs and impress the difference to you, informing you that you cannot change afterwards, or for the IA for Keeper perhaps to tell you about the different training programs, etc.

[adam86shadow]

I never expected duel AC so i'm totally indifferent

[SoCal]

Dont understand why people want to swap ACs and think it should be in the game; there was not a big hoopla about switching from a pally to a DK or rogue to a mage in wow.

Respecs were/should be within tree's not classes.

[adam86shadow]

We may however get payed AC change...like WoWs race change in the distant future

[Shamburger]

We may however get payed AC change...like WoWs race change in the distant future

This would sadden my heart greatly.

[wildemu]

They want people to constantly re-roll and level for obvious reasons.

[gatorfan]

After making the AC choice they call the class 2 entirely different things for a reason. A Sage is not a Shadow, nor a Commando a Vanguard. It's no different than the choice in WoW between a Pally and a Warrior (Trooper) or a Priest and a Rogue (Consular). But in SWTOR they let you make the choice at level 10 instead of at the loading screen in WoW. In WoW once you choose your class you can't switch from a Pally to a Warrior, in SWTOR it's the same with AC's.

Don't expect it, and AC switching doesn't make any sense to me either.

[Moomurr]

Don't know how many times it needs to be said, the Advanced Class is not a spec, its a class. So no there will be no Dual Class options. You people just cant let this go can you?

I dont think of it as a new class. Do you think a holy pally and a ret pally are two classes? My Rogue in Rift can turn from ranged dps to melee dps to bard and for kicks a tank. Hey i have four classes on one guy!!

If my Sage was a Shadow nothing in the game would change. Every story,quest and companion would be the same. I would be sneaking about instead of healing/range pew pewing. The fact that you get locked into it at level 10 is absurd. You have few abilities and you aint got a clue what you really want to be doing for ever. Given that the first few months of any mmo is a roller coaster of buff/nerf your choosen "Class" may take a direction you dont like. Then you are screwed.

They should have a quest or credit amount at level 25 to swap over anyway. Then they should let you have a way to change at 50. It mean nothing in the game what specc you are so locking you into it imho is ridiculous.

[Shamburger]

I dont think of it as a new class. Do you think a holy pally and a ret pally are two classes? My Rogue in Rift can turn from ranged dps to melee dps to bard and for kicks a tank. Hey i have four classes on one guy!!

If my Sage was a Shadow nothing in the game would change. Every story,quest and companion would be the same. I would be sneaking about instead of healing/range pew pewing. The fact that you get locked into it at level 10 is absurd. You have few abilities and you aint got a clue what you really want to be doing for ever. Given that the first few months of any mmo is a roller coaster of buff/nerf your choosen "Class" may take a direction you dont like. Then you are screwed.

They should have a quest or credit amount at level 25 to swap over anyway. Then they should let you have a way to change at 50. It mean nothing in the game what specc you are so locking you into it imho is ridiculous.

What the hell is the difference if you picked it at level 1 than level 10. This is one of the most idiotic arguments I seen on this topic. You're saying if you had to pick between a shadow and a sage at level 1, THEN they would be different classes?

Nothing anyone in this thread says matters, BW sees AC's as different classes (as they have started multiple times) and they will not give you the ability to change your AC anytime in the near future.

This thread, just like the 20 locked threads on this subject before it (That should have been a hint), are an utter waste of bandwidth.


Here I'll even do it for you.
http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...0#post14282420
http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...rmanent-Choice
http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...level-50-or-no
http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...advanced+class

There you go, EVERY argument on this dead horse subject, I guarantee no one in this thread has anything new to say.

[kenn9530]

advanced class respec is and always will be a bad idea, by level 20 you should have an idea of if you like the class or not as it takes less than 14 hours play time to lvl to 20 so if you dont like it you can just reroll and skip all the quests you have already watched.

Duel spec is handyl to have but not really essential as the respec costs are reset every week anyway, the way a AC respec would work if it was a one off and you had a few days to figure out if you like it or not and switch back and then its permanent, but im happy for ACs to stay unchangeable as its a completely different playstyle.

If you dont like a class you have chosen you can always delete it and level the different AC as it takes very little time to level, 4-5 days max to lvl 50 of playtime.

[Diraeqt]

Yay for dual spec

But seriously? Disappointed for not being able to swap your Advanced class...I'm going to make the assumption you came from wow.. It's like complaining that you can't change your warrior into a mage. They are two completely different classes the only thing they have in common is their class quests and maybe sharing some weapons

[Moomurr]

What the hell is the difference if you picked it at level 1 than level 10. This is one of the most idiotic arguments I seen on this topic. You're saying if you had to pick between a shadow and a sage at level 1, THEN they would be different classes?

How you got that from my post breaks my brain. Rant away tho...

[Lathais]

It's not really like WoW in that regard. True, you can't swap from Class-to-Class with the press of a button, but the presence of full hybrids (Tank + Heal + DPS) makes it a totally different ballgame.

The only difference between WoW and SWTOR in this regard is Druids and Paladins. All other ACs can do as much as any Class in WoW. What the OP is describing with his priest, wanting to be able to heal one night and DPS the nest is already do-able, with the Sorc, Merc and Operative classes and the Pub equivalents. The only real difference, and this is a great difference, is that one toon cannot fill all 3 roles the way a Pally or Druid can. This is good and should stay this way. Hopefully BW will stick to their guns on this one, though they already have gone back and forth about it once so we'll see. If they do eventually allow it, it will be a while as they have a LOT of other things to work on before this.

[Doozerjun]

Good. It seems silly to be able to switch your class.

[shimargh]

i think someone already said it, but.

YAY!

[philefluxx]

I dont think of it as a new class. Do you think a holy pally and a ret pally are two classes? My Rogue in Rift can turn from ranged dps to melee dps to bard and for kicks a tank. Hey i have four classes on one guy!!

If my Sage was a Shadow nothing in the game would change. Every story,quest and companion would be the same. I would be sneaking about instead of healing/range pew pewing. The fact that you get locked into it at level 10 is absurd. You have few abilities and you aint got a clue what you really want to be doing for ever. Given that the first few months of any mmo is a roller coaster of buff/nerf your choosen "Class" may take a direction you dont like. Then you are screwed.

They should have a quest or credit amount at level 25 to swap over anyway. Then they should let you have a way to change at 50. It mean nothing in the game what specc you are so locking you into it imho is ridiculous.

First off it doesn't matter what you think, only what is (not trying to be rude, just blunt). Bioware's design says "Advanced Class" not "Advanced Specialization". So regardless of how other games do it, this is the way it is and doesn't need to be changed. Second, if you level a SI and choose Assassin it is very different than Sorcerer. If you choose Powertech over Mercenary they are very different from each other. Just because they share a few basic abilities doesnt mean they are the same class. But either way I just want to refer back to point one, it is a Advanced Class not Advanced Spec and Bioware does not believe we need to be able to switch between Classes. So if people want to continue to beat this dead horse so be it. But stop with the "Bioware wont give me a true dual spec" because they will be giving dual spec, not dual class and in my opinion rightfully so.

[Moomurr]

First off it doesn't matter what you think, only what is (not trying to be rude, just blunt). Bioware's design says "Advanced Class" not "Advanced Specialization". So regardless of how other games do it, this is the way it is and doesn't need to be changed. Second, if you level a SI and choose Assassin it is very different than Sorcerer. If you choose Powertech over Mercenary they are very different from each other. Just because they share a few basic abilities doesnt mean they are the same class. But either way I just want to refer back to point one, it is a Advanced Class not Advanced Spec and Bioware does not believe we need to be able to switch between Classes. So if people want to continue to beat this dead horse so be it. But stop with the "Bioware wont give me a true dual spec" because they will be giving dual spec, not dual class and in my opinion rightfully so.

Be as blunt as you like.

Call me crazy but if people keep beating the dead horse as you put it then mabay more than a few people think its a pretty wonky design issue. Anything that limits player choice in a game and therefore enjoyment is only bad for the game. As the angry guy above posted there does seem to be alot of threads on this so i am happy to agree to disagree about this point.

[Rexxr]

Well... what they plan is exactly how it works in WoW. We have essentially 8 classes, not 4.

Yep that is how I treat the game you have 8 classes.
Thank god dual spec is coming.