We need to get Human rights straightened out first.
Anybody read this and immediately think of John Varley's nine worlds series of books?
One day, the aliens will come to liberate the dolphins and whales. It is on that day, that we shall be thoroughly screwed.
The Captivity thing I'm not quite sure about, I'm pretty sure even if it came about that they'd still be in Sea-World, only they would be considered employees and would have to willingly demonstrate their compliance with working there.
Sounds silly, but I'm pretty sure they'd find a way around it, hell, they can make Dolphins do anything at Sea-World.
Don't get me wrong, I fully understand your point and agree. But I don't see human tyranny or oppression ever being a factor that is absent from our world.
I'm not 100% sure about this but I heard somewhere that some dolphins have a higher IQ than some very dim humans. Anyone able to find a source for this?
Good god, its an animal. It isn't a human. It deserves nothing of my rights. All it needs is to be treated fairly and not hunted to extinction.
what the hell? Those who came up with this idea even less intelligent than dolphins. The guy above me says the truth, they're animals not
"OMG DOLHPINS ARE F*CUKIN GENIUSES"...
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If dolphins are so smart then why do they live in igloos?
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But OT, I'm all for it. I hope they give the same right to apes, monkeys and some other intelligent species in the future if it passes. Well, any mammal above vermins really.
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If only animals gave a crap about us as much as we gave a crap about them. Why are humans holding themselves to a higher standard? Just because we have a society? Dolphins have a society and sure maybe they don't run lab experiments on fish, but i have heard stories of them playing with prey before they eat it. Im pretty sure dolphins dont give a crap about the food that they are eating when its being eaten. Why do we have to care so much about other animals that will eventually die out anyway just like us.
Btw my favorite animal is a dolphin btw. So cute and smart. Only reason i even came to this thread.
I'd say we should be concerned with equal rights for people across the world before we start worrying about equal rights for marine animals.
Also, dolphins will fly away and simply thank us for the fish we have fed them throughout history if the going gets bad enough for them
Anyway, I find that whole idea weird. Why would it stop them from being used for entertainment purposes? By that logic, no humans should ever be in the entertainment business. Dolphins are extremely social creatures, they LIKE that social interaction they get from learning these things and performing them. They're paid for their work also (hello food). Not all dolphins in captivity would survive if they were released.
Eco-systems are incredibly delicate, whilst it inevitably will not be possible to 100% safeguard them, minimising the damage is fairly significant due to the ripple effects that effect countless other factors. Extermination of predators in certain parts of the world has led to an unsustainable number of grazers for example, which have in turn over harvested the land and caused damage to both the people, and the other wildlife.
Just because we can't shove an animal in an enclosure and breed them en-mass for food doesn't mean they're not important.
I want you try to see a tuna net in the deep waters of the ocean. Dolphins recognize themselves in mirrors, and know when alterations have been made to their bodies (such as markings, etc.) They also have senses of humor and play pranks and do things just for the fun/pleasure of it. (Sex, tag games, messing with fish, pranking other dolphins.) This is only characteristic in Humans and DOLPHINS, as a species to be able to evolve to this degree has to have no primitive instincts that keeps them in Fight/Flight mode 24/7 (as all species do besides Humans, entirely) meaning Dolphin's brains have evolved from this fight/flight auto mode and are now on the next level. Domestic dogs don't even have this (they're only comfortable around Humans, etc. because of years of select breeding for traits, and their pact instinct.) Also, we don't fully understand Dolphin communication, but there is tons of evidence and witnesses to Dolphins intricately communicating with each other. They also have an ability to understand Human language and grammatical sentence structure. They know the difference between (S, O, V) and (S, V, O) even if they're changed around on the fly. Dolphins also use tools and advanced problem solving. They build mud mounds to trap fish and use their tails to swat at fish and make them scared and vulnerable so another dolphin can make the catch. Dolphins have also saved people that were drowning, knowing they were in distress. Tons of other things. They are the second smartest species on this Earth, by far. They have communities and families, and make friends. They don't build or anything because they live in the ocean. There are tons of videos on YouTube detailing this, as well as articles. Go look!
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