Healers not getting enough credit in WZ?

[h4rr0d]

isnt 6 medals pretty good? i think the most a healer can get is probably 7 depending on the warzone.

You should be getting at least 5 medals baseline: (which is the same number as non-tank DPS)
2.5k heal
5k heal
KB
10 kills
75k healing
Depending on WZ you should also be getting:
25 kills (not that difficult)
75k damage done (not that difficult if you use AoE smart)
300k healing (easy if you fight enough)
1k defense (all 3 WZs)
3k defense (realistically doable only on alderaan)
2.5k hit (as an OP it's quite doable)

All it takes is playing smart and using the right buttons at the right time. Pure dps doesn't have it easy either. I really think they should limit the tanking medals only on tank specced players, and then make sure tanks really don't have access to 2.5k hit/heal. That way everyone would be on the same boat and you wouldn't see a jug with 12 medals including 2.5k hit, 2.5k heal (!!!), 300k damage and 3 tanking medals, also almost 75k healing...

[link4117]

I'll agree with this, but also some dps classes have a hard time with medals too. Maybe it's because my 50 sentinel doesn't have enough gear yet, but even leveling up I found it hard to get more than 4 or 5 medals. However when I play my Shadow, I feel like I failed if I get less that 8 medals. That's as dps spec but using guard and spamming taunts.

If interested I usually end up with the following medals: 2.5k hit, 2k protection, 5k protection, 10k protection, 10 kills, 25 kills, killing blow, and 75k damage. Add in a one-on-one kill, sometimes the 50k protection if I get a healer, and then the 1k and 3k defenses.... It stacks up pretty fast. If I play on my healers, I'm lucky to get 4 or 5.

[Koalachan]

You should be getting at least 5 medals baseline: (which is the same number as non-tank DPS)
2.5k heal

Always get this one

5k heal

Full champ gear, never get this one. Been critting for over 5k for awhile.

KB

I'll be able to grab about 75% of the time. Sometimes for whatever reason, I just never manage to actually be the killing blow.

10 kills

I can usually swing this one. Tagging people if I don't need to spam

75k healing

ALways.

25 kills (not that difficult)

Can sometimes swing this one. Again, if I'm having to spam heal or not.

75k damage done (not that difficult if you use AoE smart)

Again, see above.

300k healing (easy if you fight enough)

Inversely proportionate to the above.

1k defense (all 3 WZs)

Usually only on alderaan

3k defense (realistically doable only on alderaan)

Only on alderaan

2.5k hit (as an OP it's quite doable)

Nope, never. As a Merc, I don't really have my one big hitter TM. Fusion Missile doesn't hit hard enough, and neither does PS. Outside of this two, its mostly the little attacks, and the multi-hit smaller attacks.

[FWDthnk]

HAHAHAHA.

Every MMO ever made seem to not properly reward healers.

[DetectiveJohnKimble]

Can you elaborate a bit? What is your definition of strategic? You cannot simply spam your biggest heal, you have to use more efficient heals or you will be... well the ToR equivlent of 'oom'.

I am interested in what you think could improve healing, or why you think it is crap...

Huh? At least for Merc, you can more or less immediately cast your spells on CD and be completely fine. You generally only run into trouble if you're a complete newbie and spam Rapid Scan nonstop. It's atrocious healing gameplay.

[Woeful]

On my server, healers get plenty of love. Generally the healers get at least one mvp vote, usually 2-3 if it is a win and the player is a pocket healer for the ball carrier.

In pvp, as a sniper I have to get lucky to get more than 6 medals. 4-5 is the norm. Rarely does a sniper get an mvp vote. Probably 1 out of a hundred matches, unless the unspoken sniper mvp code vote methodology is employed where each sniper votes for the other snipers.

[Dannyl]

Huh? At least for Merc, you can more or less immediately cast your spells on CD and be completely fine. You generally only run into trouble if you're a complete newbie and spam Rapid Scan nonstop. It's atrocious healing gameplay.

I can't speak for mercs but as an operative, if I have to spam, I will most definitely run out of energy. I can rotate stim boost, adrenaline probe, LOS myself (if I'm getting focused), and make my energy go a long but if I am forced into a situation of spam healing an ally, my energy will run out really fast, no matter what I do. And even if I'm not, I still do have to think a bit what I'm doing, when to throw a heal and when to move, regen a bit and throw another heal, and so forth.

[asharia]

if you dont throw out some dps and try to snip KBs, then you get very few medals. its not really worth it unless you're in a premade that gives you votes

[mikep4567]

I know a guardian who would always get at least 10 medals every match.

I do think something more should be done for healers, but it is extremely easy to get 7 medals.

[Alyssa]

I do think something more should be done for healers, but it is extremely easy to get 7 medals.

In a lot of games that would mean I'd have to simply sacrifice my team members to go for those extra medals, extremely easy perhaps but not if you play to win instead of maximizing medals.

[Redriot]

I feel you, as a Marauder, I have to bust my ass off to get the 300k damage medal, and if I can get the 3k defending medal I MIGHT get 8. Normally 6-7.

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Nope, never. As a Merc, I don't really have my one big hitter TM. Fusion Missile doesn't hit hard enough, and neither does PS. Outside of this two, its mostly the little attacks, and the multi-hit smaller attacks.

Rail Shot can crit for over that. If you are really struggling for medals, use your Expertise Adrenal paired with your relic and a CD if you have it and Rail Shot someone.

[Koalachan]

Rail Shot can crit for over that. If you are really struggling for medals, use your Expertise Adrenal paired with your relic and a CD if you have it and Rail Shot someone.

Critting for about 1200. With everything popped, about 1500 vs Champion-ish geared opponents.

[Pion]

as a OP its quite easy to get enough medals

stealth opener and explosive drone for 2,5k dmg and killing blows. (2 medals)

5k heals are quite easy, you only need a crit. (again 2)

the xxx k healing medals (1 or 2, depends on the game)

75k dmg is no problem if you don´t act like a healbot. (1 medal)

10 kills are easy as hell as long your not playing 8 vs 3 and you def a base. and if you def you´ll get the defense medals (so again 1-3 medals)

aaand as a stealther you can get every 2nd game the assasin medals for killing somebody in a solo fight. (again 1)



you can´t just run behind your guys and spam your healing spells. i think it isn´t even necessery to play that way.
a fast kill of an enemy or cc stuff on the right target helps more then someone who stands faaaar away and use only his 3 healing skills to bring his people from 90% hp to 100% all the time. its enough if your guys survive the fight

[mikep4567]

In a lot of games that would mean I'd have to simply sacrifice my team members to go for those extra medals, extremely easy perhaps but not if you play to win instead of maximizing medals.

That's exactly right. He has two pocket healers and just runs around taking on mobs of people, usually at the cost of winning the game. Huttball especially is a joke. They just wreck people in mid with no regard to the mechanics of the BGs, but they farm the hell out of medals. I'm not sure if they do it for fun or if it's just better for the them grind valor that way.

[Shyzhi]

It annoys me more when im there spamming my heart out on my merc keeping everyone alive and dandy in a warzone. It ends and you have like 1000000000000000000000000000 healing done and get no MVPs at all. And someone who did loads of damage and kills but nothing to help the game gets 1000 MVPs. There needs to be a new design on it, Suck as you can sign with a friend and then give the MVP to them. Ok i give my MVP to a friend now and then but 9/10 i give it to healers.

[ichime]

Let's be clear on something, right now the ranking on how easy it is to get a lot of medals is like this:

Tanks >> Healers > Dps

So no, healers aren't getting ripped off in the medals department, it's just that tanks have it insanely easy. Add the fact that there's no medal rewarding objectives play, and you can see that there is a need for a revamp of the system.

And let's not even talk about hybrid specced sorcerers/sages who can basically get all the dps and the healing medals.