GW2 Thief Discussion

**Squirrelbanes** · 2012-04-20, 03:13 AM

Originally Posted by DrakeWurrum

....huh... so....

You push F1 to steal...
Then you push F1 to activate the stolen item...
Then you use the 1 skill to use the stolen item...
Then Steal goes on cooldown.

This is now clunky and unwieldy, in my book, unless they change the fourth part. :S
Or they remove all of the traits that make Steal do other things like buff Might/Fury/Swiftness all at the same time. Or stealth. Or Daze.

I've heard steal can be pretty powerful though in certain situations. Damage wise and control wise. I think the 2nd and 3rd part could be combined though. It needs to be used optimally, so you need to carry whatever you've stolen and use it at the proper time. And if it is so powerful it definitely needs a cd.

Sy · 2012-04-20, 03:23 AM

Originally Posted by Chaith

Thievery could be a little more clutch, less random, and more iconic if you ask me. I hope AN re-visits it slightly.

that does indeed sound like a nice idea!
it would be a pretty big thief buff though, so i guess they'd have to increase the cooldown quite a bit, or nerf thieves overall somewhere else.

Originally Posted by DrakeWurrum

....huh... so....

You push F1 to steal...
Then you push F1 to activate the stolen item...
Then you use the 1 skill to use the stolen item...
Then Steal goes on cooldown.

This is now clunky and unwieldy, in my book, unless they change the fourth part. :S
Or they remove all of the traits that make Steal do other things like buff Might/Fury/Swiftness all at the same time. Or stealth. Or Daze.

i can see why they are doing it like this, but i think step 3 is actually completely useless now. stealing should just switch the f1 button into the one that would otherwise be on your 1-slot after you press f1 a second time.

f1 to steal, f1 again to use. you could just double press it for instant use, or wait to read the tooltip of the 'item' or use it in another situation.

**Squirrelbanes** · 2012-04-20, 03:31 AM

Originally Posted by Sy

i can see why they are doing it like this, but i think step 3 is actually completely useless now. stealing should just switch the f1 button into the one that would otherwise be on your 1-slot after you press f1 a second time.

f1 to steal, f1 again to use. you could just double press it for instant use, or wait to read the tooltip of the 'item' or use it in another situation.

That's what I said!
I guess I don't participate enough in this thread to be taken notice of.
/sulk

**Glytch** · 2012-04-20, 03:32 AM

Originally Posted by Squirrelbanes

That's what I said!
I guess I don't participate enough in this thread to be taken notice of.
/sulk

note: decision to use stolen item: risk reward model

Sy · 2012-04-20, 03:33 AM

Originally Posted by Squirrelbanes

That's what I said!
I guess I don't participate enough in this thread to be taken notice of.
/sulk

that's right. noob. l2forum and stuff.
it's not like i just missed the fact that there was already a new page when i reloaded the last time before posting <_<

**Squirrelbanes** · 2012-04-20, 04:11 AM

Originally Posted by Sy

that's right. noob. l2forum and stuff.
it's not like i just missed the fact that there was already a new page when i reloaded the last time before posting <_<

It's ok Sy...I forgive u this time....as it's u /hugglz.

---------- Post added 2012-04-20 at 04:12 AM ----------

Originally Posted by Glytch

note: decision to use stolen item: risk reward model

Yh....I said "use optimally"

I like GW2's combat probably mostly because it makes everything an opportunity cost.

**Durzlla** · 2012-04-20, 04:12 AM

Originally Posted by DrakeWurrum

Wait, Power doesn't affect Bleed, Burn, or Poison? O_o

I really want to double-check this now.

I get why they might have it work that way, because then Malice and Power can be redundant... but not if Malice affects condition damage far more than Power does.

Also: There's TEN attributes, not nine. The tenth one is profession-specific. I don't know if you can find it on gear, and I don't know how it works when it is on gear. (Like, does Willpower show on gear so that everybody sees it as Willpower, or does it change based on who sees/equip it? Or is it only on gear restricted to your profession?)

old blog is old!! HISS!! OLD!! Look at the new one, they specifically say that they split the condition damage out of power because it was to powerful before hand, so now we have power (just flat damage) and malice (condition damage).

**PonyCannon** · 2012-04-20, 04:13 AM

I hope there are no animations/cast times on the steal mechanic. With all those steps that would be annoying

---------- Post added 2012-04-20 at 04:14 AM ----------

Originally Posted by Durzlla

old blog is old!! HISS!! OLD!! Look at the new one, they specifically say that they split the condition damage out of power because it was to powerful before hand, so now we have power (just flat damage) and malice (condition damage).

Oh gawd don't bring that back up. We already 1 casualty (Robo Glytch).

**Glytch** · 2012-04-20, 04:15 AM

Originally Posted by Durzlla

old blog is old!! HISS!! OLD!! Look at the new one, they specifically say that they split the condition damage out of power because it was to powerful before hand, so now we have power (just flat damage) and malice (condition damage).

case: rested

result:distinction:dot and condition:mandatory

---------- Post added 2012-04-19 at 10:16 PM ----------

Originally Posted by PonyCannon

I hope there are no animations/cast times on the steal mechanic. With all those steps that would be annoying

---------- Post added 2012-04-20 at 04:14 AM ----------

Oh gawd don't bring that back up. We already 1 casualty (Robo Glytch).

animation required:grabbing item
animation required: using item
example: GW2 combat:the rest

addendum: text pattern repeated:exception: lore && design discussion

**DrakeWurrum** · 2012-04-20, 04:27 AM

Originally Posted by Sy

i can see why they are doing it like this, but i think step 3 is actually completely useless now. stealing should just switch the f1 button into the one that would otherwise be on your 1-slot after you press f1 a second time.

f1 to steal, f1 again to use. you could just double press it for instant use, or wait to read the tooltip of the 'item' or use it in another situation.

Why not have F2-F4 be stolen items that are stored? Or at least F2, with only the most recent steal being placed there?

I'm just annoyed that they put in so much utility to the Steal mechanic, and then also have the cooldown delayed based on using one specific part of that utility. That's my issue. Why trait Steal to also buff Might/Fury/Swiftness now?

IMO, it makes the profession-specific attribute almost required for Steal to be useful, but I get the feeling it'll be hard to get a decent amount of CD reduction.

Sy · 2012-04-20, 05:07 AM

Originally Posted by Squirrelbanes

It's ok Sy...I forgive u this time....as it's u /hugglz.

yay <3
/hugglz

Originally Posted by DrakeWurrum

Why not have F2-F4 be stolen items that are stored? Or at least F2, with only the most recent steal being placed there?

I'm just annoyed that they put in so much utility to the Steal mechanic, and then also have the cooldown delayed based on using one specific part of that utility. That's my issue. Why trait Steal to also buff Might/Fury/Swiftness now?

yeah, i somewhat agree.

**Glytch** · 2012-04-20, 05:23 AM

Originally Posted by Sy

yay <3
/hugglz

yeah, i somewhat agree.

request:hugs

**Squirrelbanes** · 2012-04-20, 05:36 AM

Originally Posted by Glytch

request:hugs

/hugglz

Sy · 2012-04-20, 06:11 AM

Originally Posted by Glytch

request:hugs

/brohug <3

**Asai** · 2012-04-20, 04:32 PM

Admittedly my main interests would be Elementalist or Guardian, but I'm definitely going to be giving Thief a fair shot during the beta weekend.

**Wikram** · 2012-04-20, 05:17 PM

I look forward to stabbing you all in the eye. That is all.

**solidsheep** · 2012-04-20, 07:10 PM

Originally Posted by DrakeWurrum

Why not have F2-F4 be stolen items that are stored? Or at least F2, with only the most recent steal being placed there?

I'm just annoyed that they put in so much utility to the Steal mechanic, and then also have the cooldown delayed based on using one specific part of that utility. That's my issue. Why trait Steal to also buff Might/Fury/Swiftness now?

IMO, it makes the profession-specific attribute almost required for Steal to be useful, but I get the feeling it'll be hard to get a decent amount of CD reduction.

One of those thing where we have to wait and see what gear stats and set bonus do, b/c if we can get cunning as a stat my be a bit op.

**Durzlla** · 2012-04-21, 02:21 AM

Originally Posted by solidsheep

One of those thing where we have to wait and see what gear stats and set bonus do, b/c if we can get cunning as a stat my be a bit op.

you can't it looks like prof stats are ONLY in the trait line, however if you want to look at set bonuses go to here...

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Rune

**Glytch** · 2012-04-21, 02:38 AM

Originally Posted by Durzlla

you can't it looks like prof stats are ONLY in the trait line, however if you want to look at set bonuses go to here...

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Rune

assumption: correct
basis: too many stats, would make armor useless for other profs

**Murphlord** · 2012-04-21, 02:41 AM

Originally Posted by Glytch

assumption: correct
basis: too many stats, would make armor useless for other profs

ok that's it. I'm dunking your motherboard in water.

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