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    GW2 Thief Discussion

    in process of updating this post to be less-shitty...give me a while


    I want this thread to be a respectable place to hold discussion about GW2 thieves. so im going to try to dig up previous good conversations and post links to them. after that i would like any posts anyone finds useful or feels would be useful to link to the OP to be asked to be linked. just PM me if a discussion is good and ill edit in in

    TEMP: please help scan through the thread... i really dont want to dig through 74 pages

    also... try to focus on serious talk. if this thread becomes "lol you look up stuff on MMO champ? you bad" then I'm going to destroy you all...slowly... by making you bleed out through where your toenails used to be.


    You have been warned.

    Stuff you should probably know:
    Initiative regens at a rate of 1 init every 1.67 seconds
    Breaking stealth gives you "revealed" for 3 seconds preventing further stealth
    The air burst on shortbow will shoot out farther if the projectile is high up and clump more together if low to the ground, useful for hitting the same target 3 times

    Relatively useful discussions/posts to read:
    Good example of using secondary weapons to set up combos which I've been trying to preach
    Builds that don't focus on backstab

    Relatively useful videos to watch:
    tips on dodging the shit out of warriors (A/Sh;GS), (more)

    Relatively useful steals that you should probably memorize:

    Throw Gunk: creates an ethereal field.. o yea it also inflicts a random condition

    / Blinding Tuft/Throw Feathers: blinds enemies and stealths you. use it for stealth skills. they are awesome. this is pretty much the default steal item. You will find this a lot.

    Eat Egg: it heals you. more importantly it restores 10 of your initiative. you get the most gain when you use it at 0-1 init since it has a 1 sec cast time

    Consume ectoplasm: it gives you 1 stack of all boons. can be saved for when you need to take a hit or two since it will give you both aegis and protection along with regen. Use it BEFORE you're in deep shit

    Relatively useful combos you should memorize:
    • WATER: always try to finish a combo on water. it always heals. Whirls like death blossom and dagger storm will heal your buddies, leaps like heartseeker will heal yourself

    • SMOKE: shooting any projectile will blind. if you head shot through it you will block up to 2 attacks, the daze will interrupt and the blind will stop the next attack. leap onto it to stealth yourself and follow up with a stealth move (heartseeker then backstab)

    • ETHEREAL: Leap to give chaos armor to self to punish fast attackers. Projectiles (unload is good for this) will stack confusion to punish things attacking your buddies.

    • LIGHT: since you have no cooldown on your skills it can be better for a thief to activate light combos. leaping will give retaliation. if your group is condition stacked try to whirl

    • DARK: projectiles will give you life steal. if you're running pistol pistol drop shadow refuge and sneak attack then unload through it for copious amounts of heals. make sure you'll be able to do the unload once you come out from sneak attacking since refuge doesnt last long

    • POISON: shortbow thieves can blast their poison fields, it helps to be close to it.

    • FIRE: leaps will give you a sexy fire shield as per the elementalist skill. Shortbow's blast is easily spam able to stack might even more

    • LIGHTNING: you can leap into this to daze your opponent giving a dagger mainhand additional control

    Ranges:
    Units of range in GW2 is in inches. problem is its usually easier to see the world in...shall we say... larger increments.
    so he's a few nifty ranges and their conversions...

    Range Feet Yards Meters
    130 10.83 ft 3.61 yd 3.30 m
    450 37.5 ft 12.5 yd 11.43 m
    600 50 ft 16.67 yd 15.24 m
    900 75 ft 25 yd 22.87 m
    1200 100 ft 33.33 yd 30.49 m


    Good to know damage formulas:

    Here's the known condition damage formulae

    Burning: (4 * Level) + (0.25 * Condition Damage) per second
    Poison: Level + (0.1 * Condition Damage) per second
    Bleeding: 2.5 + (0.5 * Level) + (.05 *Condition Damage) per stack per second
    Confusion: 25 + (0.5 * Level) + (0.075 * Condition Damage) per stack per skill use

    At level 80 that translates to...

    Lvl 80 +0 +10 (trait) +35 (might) +100(10 traits) +1434 (max)
    Burning 320 322.5(+2.5) 328.75(+8.75) 345(+25) 678.5(+358.5)
    Poison 80 81(+1) 83.5(+3.5) 90(+10) 223.4(+143.4)
    Bleeding(per stack) 42.5 43(+.5) 44.25(+1.75) 47.5(+5) 114.2(+71.7)
    Confusion (per stack) 65 65.75(+.75) 67.625(+2.625) 72.5(+7.5) 172.55(+107.55)

    Unusable underwater skills (Glub glub glub...)
    you cant use these underwater. it sucks.

    Thieves guild
    Dagger storm
    Shadow refuge
    Caltrops
    tripwire
    needle trap
    shadow trap
    ambush
    smoke screen
    blinding powder


    Thread notes:
    for our discussions you can use these abbreviations for weapons

    D - Dagger
    P - Pistol
    S - Sword
    Sb or Sbow - Short bow
    Lb or Lbow - long bow
    A - Axe
    M- Mace
    Sc - Scepter
    F - Focus
    T - Torch
    WH - Warhorn
    Sh -Shield
    GS - Great Sword
    H - Hammer
    Sf - Staff
    R - Rifle
    HG - harpoon gun
    Sp/Sr - Spear
    Tr - Trident
    X - any weapon in this slot

    / - used to denote dual wield configurations, the weapon on the left is the MH and OH is the right example S/P would be sword pistol
    ; - used to denote a second weapon set. example S/P;D/D means sword pistol and dagger dagger

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    Last edited by Glytch; 2012-10-15 at 08:27 PM.
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    Top 100 US daggers. yeah, you're jelly alright

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    then again i'm pretty sure you're smarter then the average dumbass

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    i liek te stabby stabbyz


    1) Enemies do not autoface. NPCs will autoface after they finish the attack animation
    2) The Thief videos imply that is correct. NPCs will not reset when you stealth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Larynx View Post
    i liek te stabby stabbyz


    1) Enemies do not autoface. NPCs will autoface after they finish the attack animation
    2) The Thief videos imply that is correct. NPCs will not reset when you stealth.
    eggcellent (lol moa steal)
    The Original Ganksta

    Top 100 US daggers. yeah, you're jelly alright

    Quote Originally Posted by Durzlla View Post
    then again i'm pretty sure you're smarter then the average dumbass

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    The Thief is actually the only class that haven't catched my heart that much compared to the other professions, bad memmories I suppose with other Thief like professions/classes

    That's why i'm going to make one as my second character.

    Also-

    Quote Originally Posted by Larynx View Post
    1) Enemies do not autoface. NPCs will autoface after they finish the attack animation
    2) The Thief videos imply that is correct. NPCs will not reset when you stealth.
    Quote this because it's true.

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    trying to make interesting support builds

    so far i think venomous aura (trait) combined with devourer poison, ice drake poison, and basilisk poison with be hilariously annoying esp with the improved venoms trait to help back it up

    thrill of the crime looks like a neat support boost

    and i love the change to shadow refuge to make an aoe heal zone

    cloaked in shadow (renamed) as always looks useful, mostly for the damage thief that wants to help a little with support (like a dagger dagger thief)
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    The Original Ganksta

    Top 100 US daggers. yeah, you're jelly alright

    Quote Originally Posted by Durzlla View Post
    then again i'm pretty sure you're smarter then the average dumbass

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    This video definitely belongs here...



    He shows off a decent amount of abilities. He speaks a different language, but he still mouses over the tool tips before he uses the ability and in full screen the picture is clear enough to read what it does.

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    I really like the dual pistol & dagger + pistol set up. Somewhat leaning toward a Thief in place of Warrior lately. Seems like Thieves are a condensed Assassin, and I enjoyed the high mobility playstyle in Factions.

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    I'm really liking the thief because of it's ability to escape combat, which a lot of the other classes don't seem to have that luxury save maybe the mesmer. If I go thief I'll probably be dual dagger/dual pistols, Maybe dual swords in place of daggers, but leaping death blossom seems too cool to pass up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Larynx View Post
    i liek te stabby stabbyz


    1) Enemies do not autoface. NPCs will autoface after they finish the attack animation
    2) The Thief videos imply that is correct. NPCs will not reset when you stealth.
    I've seen a few videos of enemies auto-facing. Is this a bug? I was hoping that there wouldn't be auto-facing, and I was disappointed a little bit when I saw a video depicting it. I feel like I remember them stating that it was still buggy, but I don't know if I'm just imagining that or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wynnyelle View Post
    I've seen a few videos of enemies auto-facing. Is this a bug? I was hoping that there wouldn't be auto-facing, and I was disappointed a little bit when I saw a video depicting it. I feel like I remember them stating that it was still buggy, but I don't know if I'm just imagining that or not.
    Most likely it's an animation bug.

    Unless you mean players? If so, I don't know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roggles View Post
    I'm really liking the thief because of it's ability to escape combat, which a lot of the other classes don't seem to have that luxury save maybe the mesmer. If I go thief I'll probably be dual dagger/dual pistols, Maybe dual swords in place of daggers, but leaping death blossom seems too cool to pass up.
    sword is a MH weapon only
    The Original Ganksta

    Top 100 US daggers. yeah, you're jelly alright

    Quote Originally Posted by Durzlla View Post
    then again i'm pretty sure you're smarter then the average dumbass

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    Quote Originally Posted by wynnyelle View Post
    I've seen a few videos of enemies auto-facing. Is this a bug? I was hoping that there wouldn't be auto-facing, and I was disappointed a little bit when I saw a video depicting it. I feel like I remember them stating that it was still buggy, but I don't know if I'm just imagining that or not.
    Best example I've seen is the warrior video that's been going around a lot. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNXKR...feature=colike

    Start at 3:20, you can see when the boss attacks it doesn't turn until the animation is over.

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    I'm really liking the thief because of it's ability to escape combat, which a lot of the other classes don't seem to have that luxury save maybe the mesmer. If I go thief I'll probably be dual dagger/dual pistols, Maybe dual swords in place of daggers, but leaping death blossom seems too cool to pass up.
    ^ Yea, that sounds pretty fun. I enjoy vanish mechanics as I like to 'PULL EVERYTHING', hehe. Will say I am a little dismayed at no perma stealth though.

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    The moment you "vanish" enemy will attempt to return to his post and then begin to regain % portion of his heatlh each second(maybe half a sec not sure), there is no evade kind of mechanics or insta full hp you know from WoW. You can engage enemy on his way back or any time during his healing process without any problems, this also allows for some nice kitting possibilities

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glytch View Post
    sword is a MH weapon only
    Didn't realize that, damn.

    ---------- Post added 2012-02-23 at 09:41 PM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by Fencers View Post
    ^ Yea, that sounds pretty fun. I enjoy vanish mechanics as I like to 'PULL EVERYTHING', hehe. Will say I am a little dismayed at no perma stealth though.
    That is exactly the one thing that keeps from finally deciding thief. I really do like perma stealth, and the absence of it kinda made me sadface.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fencers View Post
    Will say I am a little dismayed at no perma stealth though.
    Using a dagger in your offhand you can vanish in stealth during combat any time you want without any cd, I think thats way better and more fun than perma stealth

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xarko View Post
    Using a dagger in your offhand you can vanish in stealth during combat any time you want without any cd, I think thats way better and more fun than perma stealth
    I think you only get a reverse shadow stab. Which requires combat conditions. Which is the skill you are talking about? I might be off base.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fencers View Post
    I think you only get a reverse shadow stab. Which requires combat conditions. Which is the skill you are talking about? I might be off base.
    Skill Im talking about is Cloak and Dagger (5th skill) - reduce armor of your target and put you into stealth for a few seconds. No cd you just need to have enough initiative (energy) to use it

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    The Animation for Black Powder (OH Pistol) seems to pulse 3 times, which I would guess to be 3 Blinds in the one ability.
    Would it be safe to assume this? Seems strong for 5 ini.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xarko View Post
    Using a dagger in your offhand you can vanish in stealth during combat any time you want without any cd, I think thats way better and more fun than perma stealth
    Well shit, that's awesome.

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