GW2 Thief Discussion

[Glytch]

I really do like it when devs give cohesive logic towards magic and super natural stuff in their game. Hell, even diablo 3 barbs have an explanation for why they can do super human feats. It's poor story telling when they just go "lol they can jump through wallz becuz we seyd so"

You'll enjoy the D20 setting I'm creating then. Originally was an attempt to convert iron kingdoms 3.5 into pathfinder rule set but...evolved

I'm hoping to post a base idea in a few weeks (open to everyone who wishes to use it). I place strong emphasis on the physics of the magic

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Shouts are just commands or motivational/ demotivational shouts that affect things or self

[DrakeWurrum]

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Shouts are just commands or motivational/ demotivational shouts that affect things or self

I really just can't agree with that.

[Loaf Lord]

Yelling at my dog to make him run 33% faster doesn't work either... nor does it make him tougher/more resilient to damage...

And find me one person out there where by you yelling at them/singing to them causes their wounds to heal? As far as i'm concerned that's magic, magic, and magic!! Shouts = same magic a bard uses.

Well since you're a ranger you have a spiritual connection with your pet. Which I would assume lets you communicate with him in ways other people can't.

[Durzlla]

then you need to train him more

shouts arent magic

period

i am the loremaster and i have spoken

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no "shouts" heal, thats all from chants, which are songs and from echos

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/%22I%...monster_skill)
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/%22Fall_Back!%22
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/%22Help_Me!%22
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/%22Incoming!%22
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/%22Never_Surrender!%22
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/%22We_Shall_Return!%22
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/%22Victory_Is_Mine!%22

So... no shouts are magical huh? BULL SHIT if i can rez people by yelling "We Shall Return!" then i'm gonna say there's some magic there... Glytch just admit you're wrong!!

[Glytch]

I really just can't agree with that.

If I shout "watch yourself!" you're going to start paying attention more to incoming attacks, rolling with the blows to minimize damage taken, hence the armor

That's the basis of shouts

Also don't take the direct quote as law, 95% of shouts are pop culture so you need to assume the spirit of the shout

---------- Post added 2012-06-04 at 07:12 PM ----------

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/%22I%...monster_skill)
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/%22Fall_Back!%22
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/%22Help_Me!%22
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/%22Incoming!%22
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/%22Never_Surrender!%22
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/%22We_Shall_Return!%22
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/%22Victory_Is_Mine!%22

So... no shouts are magical huh? BULL SHIT if i can rez people by yelling "We Shall Return!" then i'm gonna say there's some magic there... Glytch just admit you're wrong!!

All of those are regen such as a second wind or heal over time


Also try to look up morale boost

And get this out of my thief thread go to the magic thread

[Loaf Lord]

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/%22I%...monster_skill)
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/%22Fall_Back!%22
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/%22Help_Me!%22
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/%22Incoming!%22
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/%22Never_Surrender!%22
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/%22We_Shall_Return!%22
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/%22Victory_Is_Mine!%22

So... no shouts are magical huh? BULL SHIT if i can rez people by yelling "We Shall Return!" then i'm gonna say there's some magic there... Glytch just admit you're wrong!!

not all abilities are canonical with the lore. Some are just there for convenience of gameplay.

[Durzlla]

If I shout "watch yourself!" you're going to start paying attention more to incoming attacks, rolling with the blows to minimize damage taken, hence the armor

That's the basis of shouts

Also don't take the direct quote as law, 95% of shouts are pop culture so you need to assume the spirit of the shout

---------- Post added 2012-06-04 at 07:12 PM ----------



All of those are regen such as a second wind or heal over time


Also try to look up morale boost

And get this out of my thief thread go to the magic thread

bottom one is not regen, we shall return is not regen...

---------- Post added 2012-06-04 at 07:26 PM ----------

not all abilities are canonical with the lore. Some are just there for convenience of gameplay.

do we have proof of this lol?

[Glytch]

do we have proof of this lol?

Its only a flesh wound
Tease
Go for the eyes
Nothing to fear
None shall pass
Can't touch this
You will die
Yellow snow

all of rollerbeetle

[Durzlla]

Its only a flesh wound
Tease
Go for the eyes
Nothing to fear
None shall pass
Can't touch this
You will die
Yellow snow

all of rollerbeetle

Yeah yeah yeah, that's nice that we know which moves they are, the question was do we have proof that they're not canon?

[DrakeWurrum]

If I shout "watch yourself!" you're going to start paying attention more to incoming attacks, rolling with the blows to minimize damage taken, hence the armor

How do you know I won't just roll my eyes and go "Gawd, I know, dick!"

Only to result in me missing what I should have been watching for.

[Larynx]

How do you know I won't just roll my eyes and go "Gawd, I know, dick!"

Only to result in me missing what I should have been watching for.

The only correct course of action is to ban warriors in competitive PvP.

[Glytch]

Yeah yeah yeah, that's nice that we know which moves they are, the question was do we have proof that they're not canon?

ok look, i've explained it

you refuse to listen, fine continue thread in magic

bye

enjoy being wrong.

[Loaf Lord]

Can't decide if I want to use withdraw or hide in shadows for my heal. Both are really good.

---------- Post added 2012-06-05 at 02:20 AM ----------

You'll enjoy the D20 setting I'm creating then. Originally was an attempt to convert iron kingdoms 3.5 into pathfinder rule set but...evolved

I'm hoping to post a base idea in a few weeks (open to everyone who wishes to use it). I place strong emphasis on the physics of the magic

On topic
Shouts are just commands or motivational/ demotivational shouts that affect things or self

I'm meh towards d20. A lot of the classes have a restricted alignment when they shouldn't. Assassin is an example. Not all assassins are evil. Why do assassins have to be evil yet eldritch fucking knights don't?

[Glytch]

Can't decide if I want to use withdraw or hide in shadows for my heal. Both are really good.

---------- Post added 2012-06-05 at 02:20 AM ----------

I'm meh towards d20. A lot of the classes have a restricted alignment when they shouldn't. Assassin is an example. Not all assassins are evil. Why do assassins have to be evil yet eldritch fucking knights don't?

thats only 3.5/PF rules, GMs can override that stupid rule anyway (they should) plus even if you do use 3.5 or PF rulesets your setting can tell them to go fuck themselves and assassins are not always evil

not all d20's are 3.5, pathfinder for example is d20 but not 3.5 (strictly speaking, its actually like... a bazillion times better than 3.5)

[Loaf Lord]

hmm, interesting. Will have to try that.

[Glytch]

hmm, interesting. Will have to try that.

well the PF book states that in golarion (the setting for pathfinder) both assassins and red mantis assassins (not in PF core rulebook) must be evil

but...fuck golarion. ill make my own setting

with hookers, and warjacks

actually... forget the hookers (for now)

(this is a warjack from iron kingdoms)




as far as assassins being forced evil... guild wars gets the comparison down PERFECTLY

rangers are the guardians of nature
assassins are the guardians of society

---------- Post added 2012-06-05 at 03:29 PM ----------

beta TODO list:

see how much init signet use gives

if tooltips are working see if the healing:0 on hide in shadows is increased by +healing and compassion

post more

[Loaf Lord]

I just realized that the throwing knife animation is actually fairly accurate to how you actually throw a knife in real life.

[Loaf Lord]

Am I the only one who doesn't like the lead attacks trait? Just feels like another pointless reason to watch my initiative in an already action oriented game.

[Glytch]

Am I the only one who doesn't like the lead attacks trait? Just feels like another pointless reason to watch my initiative in an already action oriented game.

im withholding judgement from all traits until i see how messed up everything is

[DrakeWurrum]

Am I the only one who doesn't like the lead attacks trait? Just feels like another pointless reason to watch my initiative in an already action oriented game.

Lead Attacks is a good trait imo. It helps reinforce the idea that Thieves are good at bursty spike damage.

Depending on how the pvp meta turns out, the ability to quickly spike down one target should be extremely valuable. I've yet to see a 5v5 pvp game where it's not.