Mesmer Discussion Thread

[Durzlla]

That doesn't sound right. In using the scepter recently, I've fired off the second attack before the first one lands.

Also, Greatsword says hi. It has some bad design in places, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't exist when you need a ranged weapon.

---------- Post added 2012-09-27 at 06:27 PM ----------


Why exactly? O_o

Because the heal is damn near spammable, not to mention in PvP (and a lot of PvE) you punish any ranged trying to kill you at the time of healing, this is VERY nice against mobs that try to interrupt/knock you down since you reflect during the cast time of your heal, which causes a lot of people to lock themselves down as you heal!! It's AMAZING!!

[zito]

Because the heal is damn near spammable, not to mention in PvP (and a lot of PvE) you punish any ranged trying to kill you at the time of healing, this is VERY nice against mobs that try to interrupt/knock you down since you reflect during the cast time of your heal, which causes a lot of people to lock themselves down as you heal!! It's AMAZING!!

It's till less healing per cast and less healing per minute then ether feast since ether feast is on a 20 sec cd and mirror is on a 15. Hardly spamable. The only time mirror is actually worth it is if you are being piled on by range attacks, however against a bigger group and melee in general you are just gimping yourself.

[Durzlla]

It's till less healing per cast and less healing per minute then ether feast since ether feast is on a 20 sec cd and mirror is on a 15. Hardly spamable. The only time mirror is actually worth it is if you are being piled on by range attacks, however against a bigger group and melee in general you are just gimping yourself.

I haven't had any problems with it... even against mass amounts of melee because chaos armor and chaos storm tend to do a very good job at keeping them off me, as does that block that smacks them in the face for huge damage if they hit me, and confusion, and stealthing... etc etc

EDIT: As for the healing per minute you only get ~1k additional healing from ether feast, but i tend to cause a lot of deaths/more chaos through that reflection so i'll take that hit...

[Kelesti]

EDIT: As for the healing per minute you only get ~1k additional healing from ether feast, but i tend to cause a lot of deaths/more chaos through that reflection so i'll take that hit...

The reflect is damage you're not taking as well, which if done right outweighs that 1k per minute pretty easily, and it has no pressure to waste dodge rolls frivolously to try and get a max heal if your clones just got cleaved down.

[Duncano]

Some of my tournament games, I'd appreciate if anyone could give me feedback on how I play... tips, advice, etc... more on the channel itself.

[Thelxi]

So about that Scepter Attack speed...
Link to Gif

Because of how it's chained, it can't trigger the next attack until the first one lands. Thus we have two "melee" weapons, and no actual ranged weapons?

Edit, turned that into a Link, because I'd rather be nice to people browsing on phones (or those of you still on cup and wire connections )

God wow, that is quite something!

[Zombina]

Some of my tournament games, I'd appreciate if anyone could give me feedback on how I play... tips, advice, etc... more on the channel itself.

Are you looking for specific points to improve on? Admittedly I didn't watch all of both, but you can do a lot more damage if you focus on staying further away from the target when using greatsword

[Duncano]

Are you looking for specific points to improve on? Admittedly I didn't watch all of both, but you can do a lot more damage if you focus on staying further away from the target when using greatsword

Yes. I know, but I'm a point defender sometimes.

[zito]

Yes. I know, but I'm a point defender sometimes.

I think you could dodge more and use decoy more. Getting the dodge clones up and then popinig decoy and just standing still doing auto attack really fucks someone up and it buys some CD's.

I would drop mirror images for the clone health signet too.

[Kelesti]

So zito, they fixed your broken broken and horribly broken Warden.

[smrund]

After playing the Mesmer for a while, I'm quite enjoying the class, but I find their clone/phantasm system to be frustrating.
First: clones doing zero damage and only existing to add effects...which you really don't get until you're past level 40 is rather dull. The concept of creating clones and phantasms of yourself is quite fun, and they're an effective distraction if nothing else, most of the time.
Second: no control over these pets. Too often have I targeted the wrong thing only to have my clone/phantasm run off and start pounding away at it. It would be nice if clones/phantasms simply attacked your target in the way pets do.
Third: While I realize they are easy to generate, having clones/phantasms vanish when the target they were summoned against dies is really, really annoying, especially when you are battling multiple foes.
Fourth: I find the differences between clones and phantasms to be forced. The fact that one is a true-to-pixels duplicate of you and the other a ghostly version is a creative differentiation artistically, but the actual in-game difference in their abilities is unnecessary.

I would simply like to be able to do the following: summon clones/phantasms with no enemies around, simply giving them a time-limit on existence. Have clones do damage at all and phantasms do less(It always seems they're doing more than I am!), average it out so that clones provide a minimal, but continuous damage source, while phantasms provide unique abilities(such as the Phantasmal Disenchanter/Defender/Rogue, ect...). And of course, I'd love to be able to direct my clones to attack a different target or just stop attacking at all when I need them to, though individual control of each would be nice, it's not necessary.

Anyway, it's not like I'm not enjoying the class, only that I find certain design decisions to be questionable.

[zito]

So zito, they fixed your broken broken and horribly broken Warden.

what what what?

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

I hate life

---------- Post added 2012-10-02 at 11:26 AM ----------

So the "phantasmal warden fix" is now a bigger nerf. It does not have a 5 second recharge like the patch notes claim, it's recharge is around 8-9 seconds.

/sigh

guess ill put away my focus.

---------- Post added 2012-10-02 at 12:59 PM ----------

I guess I'll drop 20 points out of shattering now since haste is completely useless for... almost all phantasms.

and I just upgraded to exotic focus FFS

[Duncano]

I think you could dodge more and use decoy more. Getting the dodge clones up and then popinig decoy and just standing still doing auto attack really fucks someone up and it buys some CD's.

I would drop mirror images for the clone health signet too.

That's a good advice, decoy is an "oh shit" button for me, at the moment. I need to learn how to time my "oh shit" moments before they happen.

[zito]

That's a good advice, decoy is an "oh shit" button for me, at the moment. I need to learn how to time my "oh shit" moments before they happen.

If you used decoy more there wouldn't be as many oh shit moments :P

[Durzlla]

If you used decoy more there wouldn't be as many oh shit moments :P

I prefer to just mass invis, move somewhere else and start spamming my auto attack, that really fucks with em!!

[zito]

I prefer to just mass invis, move somewhere else and start spamming my auto attack, that really fucks with em!!

I prefer warden not being double nerfed

I mean with 20% phantasmal hp boost and the 50% from signet warden gets 2 shot :/ it doesn't need a 10 sec recharge.

Also I prefer to time warp and rape anyone who comes near me.

[Durzlla]

I prefer warden not being double nerfed

I mean with 20% phantasmal hp boost and the 50% from signet warden gets 2 shot :/ it doesn't need a 10 sec recharge.

Also I prefer to time warp and rape anyone who comes near me.

Eh timewarps lame, most the time i throw down timewarp AoEs just show up EVERYWHERE and standing there just becomes a death sentence, and i personally think that warden deserves the 10 second recharge, i mean cmon, he not only causes the area to rock people in melee range of em, but also reflects all projectiles that would hit him, it's pretty freaking powerful...

[zito]

Eh timewarps lame, most the time i throw down timewarp AoEs just show up EVERYWHERE and standing there just becomes a death sentence, and i personally think that warden deserves the 10 second recharge, i mean cmon, he not only causes the area to rock people in melee range of em, but also reflects all projectiles that would hit him, it's pretty freaking powerful...

Most of the time people don't stand in it's melee for very long. I think 10 second is too long since it is so easy to kill him. It should be 5 seconds like the patchs notes say.

Ill probably end up trying to master offhand sword instead. Though the occasional delay in blocking when an attack ends f'en kills it.

[Durzlla]

Most of the time people don't stand in it's melee for very long. I think 10 second is too long since it is so easy to kill him. It should be 5 seconds like the patchs notes say.

Ill probably end up trying to master offhand sword instead. Though the occasional delay in blocking when an attack ends f'en kills it.

I love it when people die because they attack me while i'm blocking xD One of the greatest things ever...

[zito]

So It seems I found a most shocking discovery that is probably old news. Signet of illusions grants more health for your illusions. Turns out it is NOT PASSIVE. After 2 seconds of the illusion being summoned the signet grants them a buff giving them more health.

No wonder phantasms die almost instantly summoned....