1. #1421
    Quote Originally Posted by Durzlla View Post
    the scaling is ONLY low on regen, however on the other heals it is HUGE. My healing spring (which is said to heal for 4,920 in the tooltip) heals my ranger for at least 15k (having a 26k health bar this amount of healing is absolutely essential) and then i can use something like troll unguent or heal as one and just give me my entire health bar back in a single heal.... so it's absolutely NOT a bad stat, or have poor scaling... you really REALLY need to stop saying something is bad just because you can't use it well, you've said it about toughness, vitality, precision, condition duration, and now compassion.

    PS: regen gives 130 healing + 12.5% of your compassion which granted per second, isn't -much- but it's better then the scaling bleeding or confusion get...
    Scaling is different per healing skill except regen. MoR and ether feast get a low healing increase from compassion because ether feast is increased by illusions and MoR has charges. MoR scaling with compassion was good till the change, then it's scaling was nerfed. No idea about mirror though.

    If you want to talk about healing skills about the ranger go back to the ranger section. Last time I checked mesmers don't have healing spring.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zito View Post
    Scaling is different per healing skill except regen. MoR and ether feast get a low healing increase from compassion because ether feast is increased by illusions and MoR has charges. MoR scaling with compassion was good till the change, then it's scaling was nerfed. No idea about mirror though.

    If you want to talk about healing skills about the ranger go back to the ranger section. Last time I checked mesmers don't have healing spring.
    Sounds like they just need to buff Mesmer healing skills.
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  3. #1423
    Quote Originally Posted by DrakeWurrum View Post
    Sounds like they just need to buff Mesmer healing skills.
    I'd rather have swap places with my clone shatter


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    Quote Originally Posted by zito View Post
    Scaling is different per healing skill except regen. MoR and ether feast get a low healing increase from compassion because ether feast is increased by illusions and MoR has charges. MoR scaling with compassion was good till the change, then it's scaling was nerfed. No idea about mirror though.

    If you want to talk about healing skills about the ranger go back to the ranger section. Last time I checked mesmers don't have healing spring.
    you do realize that ether feast scaled really well with compassion right? Because not only was the base heal increased but the amount you got per illusion was ALSO increased, giving you quite a hefty heal if you were intelligent enough to use it with 2 or more illusions active, if you use it with 1 or less then it's just laughable because the base heal doesn't scale with compassion NEARLY as well as the bonus healing does....

    As for the mirror skill i thought it scaled pretty well but felt the emphasis on that heal was put more on avoiding the damage then it was patching it up, not a huge fan of any of the mesmer heals OTHER then ether feast, but then again i just hate mantras all around so i'm biased there...
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    I hated mantras until I realized they had no cooldown. Seeing as there's no spell pushback, and you can cast on the move, I saw it as a win-win once I actually tried it out firsthand. You just have to watch out for when you might get CCed when you recharge it, as it takes a few seconds.
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    you do realize that ether feast scaled really well with compassion right? Because not only was the base heal increased but the amount you got per illusion was ALSO increased, giving you quite a hefty heal if you were intelligent enough to use it with 2 or more illusions active, if you use it with 1 or less then it's just laughable because the base heal doesn't scale with compassion NEARLY as well as the bonus healing does....
    assuming people use ether feast with 1 or zero clones out makes a valid argument? Basically calling other people idiots = mesmer compassion scaling is fine.

    I hated mantras until I realized they had no cooldown. Seeing as there's no spell pushback, and you can cast on the move, I saw it as a win-win once I actually tried it out firsthand. You just have to watch out for when you might get CCed when you recharge it, as it takes a few seconds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zito View Post
    I'd rather have swap places with my clone shatter

    not gonna lie.... that would be nice, i vote we dump mind wrack and grab a shatter that teleports you and your clones to a random position (IE all clones and you teleport to a place another clone/you were at) and then X seconds later (x is increased on the amount of clones you have) they all blow up and deal mediocre damage. OR if they tie it to cry of frustration instead they all apply confusion to where they were... (IE they just blow up where they stand, NOT running into range)

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    Quote Originally Posted by zito View Post
    assuming people use ether feast with 1 or zero clones out makes a valid argument? Basically calling other people idiots = mesmer compassion scaling is fine.
    if you're bringing ether feast to heal it with 1 or less clones you're not taking advantage of what the skill was CLEARLY made for and should just swap to mirror or mantra of resto (not sure how that one scales granted, but it'd be a better heal then a cloneless ether feast)
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    Quote Originally Posted by zito View Post
    I kite around something, makes people mad :3
    That is the idea.

    Some of the skill building tools are putting cooldowns on the mantras, but from my limited time touching the mesmer back in BWE3, and again in one of the stress tests, none of the mantras I tried had a CD. Of course, I never got to the stun breaker...

    If the stun breaker, condition removal, and dazing mantras have CDs, I'll have all the more incentive to add a third charge.

    Would their CDs activate when you charge it, or when you expend the charges?

    All I know is, I've fallen in love with the mantra builds. Picking the Daze mantra makes the traits based on interrupting/dazing your enemies much more useful.
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    Harmonious Mantras sounds nasty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyur View Post
    Harmonious Mantras sounds nasty.
    Especially if it works with Mender's Purity the way I hope it does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrakeWurrum View Post
    Especially if it works with Mender's Purity the way I hope it does.
    it should. But Restorative Mantras does not, it triggers when the charges are built not when they're used.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelesti View Post
    it should. But Restorative Mantras does not, it triggers when the charges are built not when they're used.
    All the more incentive to smartly use them during combat. But if that's their intention... they seriously need to make the heal worth the trait.
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  13. #1433
    Originally Posted by MMO-Champion
    Mesmer:
    • Added range check to all illusion summoning skills
    • All illusions should now shatter properly
    Traits:



    And for emphasis, just so that everyone can see:
    Originally Posted by MMO-Champion
    Phantasms will no longer be replaced by new illusions if there is a Clone that can be replaced instead
    My dear fucking gods...
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    AMGHERD!

    Most important balance change possible for Mesmer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelesti View Post
    Originally Posted by MMO-Champion
    Mesmer:
    • Added range check to all illusion summoning skills
    • All illusions should now shatter properly
    Traits:



    And for emphasis, just so that everyone can see:
    Originally Posted by MMO-Champion
    Phantasms will no longer be replaced by new illusions if there is a Clone that can be replaced instead
    My dear fucking gods...
    After seeing that.... i think i'm going to need to clean up the "ectoplasam" all over my computer area....

    btw is it bad that i got more excited by the first 2 points on illusions then the phantasam one lol?

    NOTE: I'm really happy about the phantasam one just wasn't a huge concern for me personally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Durzlla View Post
    After seeing that.... i think i'm going to need to clean up the "ectoplasam" all over my computer area....

    btw is it bad that i got more excited by the first 2 points on illusions then the phantasam one lol?

    NOTE: I'm really happy about the phantasam one just wasn't a huge concern for me personally.
    It was the biggest reason (even moreso than the pathetic damage) that the 1-chain of Scepters was terrible. Generating clones so fast you practically instantly over-write your Phantasms, and even then you're still generating faster than you can possibly burn them.

    This keeps everything in place, and opens up so many more options. Now if only Confusion was actually added back into the chain, make up for its low baseline damage...


    I am sad to say they did fix the Illusionary Leap (sword "3") double-tap as of last stress test, where it no longer resets its cooldown to 3 seconds. So 1h-sword is definitely not generating faster than it can burn.
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  18. #1438
    oh

    my

    god

    /gush

    This gives shattering a more strategic approach.

    However this is a nerf:

    Added range check to all illusion summoning skills
    If it's what I think they mean.

    and no mention of mind stab? They can't seriously think that little target circle is acceptable?
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  19. #1439
    Quote Originally Posted by zito View Post
    However this is a nerf:

    If it's what I think they mean.
    Not necessarily. They force-added in "requires a target" into most of them by the last stress test, so that an ability couldn't go on cooldown while you weren't in combat (screwing you over for if you just got jumped and needed it after).

    I'm inclined to (or would like to) believe that this is just finalizing that, you won't bother putting clone-making skills on cooldown by accident when there's nothing even close to you. I don't know, prove me wrong tomorrow
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  20. #1440
    Quote Originally Posted by Kelesti View Post
    Not necessarily. They force-added in "requires a target" into most of them by the last stress test, so that an ability couldn't go on cooldown while you weren't in combat (screwing you over for if you just got jumped and needed it after).

    I'm inclined to (or would like to) believe that this is just finalizing that, you won't bother putting clone-making skills on cooldown by accident when there's nothing even close to you. I don't know, prove me wrong tomorrow
    What I think its referring too is, if the target isn't in range you can't summon the illusion. Which again contradicts what they want mesmer to be. I liked pre summoning clones from distances.

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