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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuchulainn View Post
    However, when 5 people at Blizzcon remind Blizzard about the TBC Pandaren idea, then Blizzard's all over that shit!
    I don't want to start some flame-fest, but that is most definitely not how it happened. This may be the GW2 sub-forum, but there's no call to smack-talk a Blizzard game just because you disagree with a design decision that was based on much wider evidence than 5 people putting the idea to developers. There is, in fact, a poll over in the General Discussion forum here on MMO-Champion that more people hate GNOMES than PANDAREN.

    Do you remember how many people were bashing and hating on Worgen before Cata came out? Have you noticed that everybody seems to have forgotten about their Worgen hatred, and don't really care anymore?
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    Yeah, I got a little too passionate with that post, my apologies, but my point still stands. Nothing really changes much by player suggestion, and honestly it's not always a good thing to take some suggestions in consideration. It would be insane to sit around waiting for changes if you're not enjoying the game. If you don't like it, simply don't play it. And if something does happen to change for the better, give it another shot. If it's still bad to you, then just move on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BatteredSausage View Post
    cant understand why people want numbers from other games epsecially when other games have beta sign ups through there accounts on the website which makes your whole throwing numbers around kinda void.
    GW2 didnt do this as it was seperate from signing up to the newsletter/ site or whatever and in a small time frame, so 2 years of accounts - 48 hours only....... would probably find the numbers arnt that much different.
    Whatever it takes though to put down other games i guess.
    Why care as long as it does good?
    Its the same reason folks collect stats on sports teams and brag about them to folks that suport opposing teams. Its very much like if your sports team that many fans of the bigger name teams said would never go anywhere suddenly jumped into the running for the championship. You'd be very much excited and happy to rub it in the nose of the other teams fans a bit after they poo poo'd your team for years.

    And no the different methods of doing the signups does not void the results. Yes folks could try and sign up multipul times through Anet's method but nothing stoped folks from makeing many different TOR accounts 2 years ago either, I know at least one friend that had 20 TOR forum accounts to improve his beta chances. The main reasons the number was impressive in comparison is the shorter time frame, the much less well known IP, and the less well known developer. Honestly you could slap a starwars sticker on anything and it will gather intrest while a majority of folks will say "Guild What?" if you mention guildwars. Bioware has also been a big name in the gameing market for a long time so they generate some intrest just from that.

    Finally we have the small window of opportunity to sign up. It did not have huge name recognition and alot of time to draw folks in to sign up. Effectively its mainly those highly interested that likely would have noticed and signed up before time expired. It's showing there is far far more intrest in the game than its detractors have been hoping. Many figure GW1 was a nitch market with a small following and GW2 will be no different but these numbers indicate its far from likely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Merendel View Post
    Its the same reason folks collect stats on sports teams and brag about them to folks that suport opposing teams. Its very much like if your sports team that many fans of the bigger name teams said would never go anywhere suddenly jumped into the running for the championship. You'd be very much excited and happy to rub it in the nose of the other teams fans a bit after they poo poo'd your team for years.
    The primary reason I'd love to know such "stats" about the various online games is because of all the fanboyism going around, showing undisciplined passion for ONE game, and smack-talking other games by claiming that they're "failing"

    For example, Guild Wars selling 6.5 million of the original game? That's a very large figure, and if you hear that, you might know that the game was actually very popular, even if all those accounts aren't active all at the same time. So what if it was never more popular than WoW? Once you bought the game, it was free, and you could go back whenever you wanted.

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    Well this thread goes to show that the GW2 guys know how to market their game.

    Think about it. The hype has been building for GW2 for *months*, and suddenly there's a "48 hour only" beta signup. So every single person who has the slightest interest in GW2 flocks to signup, and it hits 1 million signups in that ~48 hour period. Now their marketing guys get to enjoy inflated hype from the community spreading the info that GW2 gained a million signups in 48 hours. Omitting the fact that those advertised 48 hours were the only possible time you could have signed up.

    I'm not trying to say the game will be a huge flop or anything, and I'm excited for it myself. But I know a thing or two about marketing and this was a textbook marketing stunt, and really should not be used to predict the success of the game.

    SWtoR would have probably seen the exact same had they done the "limited time offer 48 hour beta signup" thing.

    It's a smart marketing stunt too. Rather than taking direct action, they simply influence the community into making a poor analysis and the hype automatically builds.

    You can bet "1 million signups in 48 hours" is going to become a staple in the hype machine for GW2, just as the marketing guys intended.

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    Well this thread goes to show that the GW2 guys know how to market their game.

    Think about it. The hype has been building for GW2 for *months*, and suddenly there's a "48 hour only" beta signup. So every single person who has the slightest interest in GW2 flocks to signup, and it hits 1 million signups in that ~48 hour period. Now their marketing guys get to enjoy inflated hype from the community spreading the info that GW2 gained a million signups in 48 hours. Omitting the fact that those 48 hours were the only possible time you could have signed up. They even extended the signup period so they could be sure to hit that 1 million mark. You can bet anybody with the *slightest* interest came running.

    I'm not trying to say the game will be a huge flop or anything, and I'm excited for it myself. But I know a thing or two about marketing and this was a textbook marketing stunt. They created an environment where people will simply repeat "1 million signups in 48 hours" over and over, which is viewed as extremely positive hype, even though the means to accomplish it was particularly deceptive.

    It's a smart marketing stunt too. Rather than taking direct action, they simply create an event that influences the community into repeating these key marketing phrases. You can bet "1 million signups in 48 hours" is going to become a staple in the hype machine for GW2, just as the marketing guys intended.

    Business psychology can be a scary thing.

    Again, I'm not bashing the game, predicting failure, or any other ridiculous thing the fanboys will froth at the mouth about. I'm simply making an observation that the "1 million signups in 48 hours" thing is a deceptive marketing ploy, and you're playing right into the marketing guys' hands by repeating it over and over.

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    Am I the only one so excited about game that I want it to release very quick and no very long beta testing? Sure game will have some bugs (in fact it will anyway despite best beta tester efforts) but can't they just patch them on the fly?

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    Don't get that excited now.
    I hope you haven't forgotten my role in this little story. I'm the leading man. You know what they say about the leading man? He never dies.

    If you give in to your impulses in this world, the price is that it changes your personality in the real world. The player and character are one and the same.

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    2 months of beta, some setup stuff in May, and game in June. That's my predictions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrakeWurrum View Post
    Don't get that excited now.
    Now that I saw those game videos and read up about it, I can't actually patiently wait for some months =(

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethas View Post
    Now that I saw those game videos and read up about it, I can't actually patiently wait for some months =(
    Go into cryostasis and wait out the long months.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Larynx View Post
    Go into cryostasis and wait out the long months.
    Ye but then I actually risky to wake up in 2500 year and will not be able launch GW2 at all

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    Quote Originally Posted by Larynx View Post
    Go into cryostasis and wait out the long months.
    *looks at his avatar*

    I see what you did there. Of course, that happened to Cartman, not Butters...
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    Meh I got my info in I almost always get into them so I will be kinda surprised if I don't get into this one.

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    This sounds awfully familiar to another big MMO that was just recently released, but we all know how bad that game turned out to be. That being said GW2 looks miles better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sTyLnK View Post
    This sounds awfully familiar to another big MMO that was just recently released, but we all know how bad that game turned out to be. That being said GW2 looks miles better.
    We've been over this... SWTOR took years to get that many people in the beta, despite the fact that Star Wars is a very widely recognized and beloved IP. ><

    Please don't bring it up again!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethas View Post
    Now that I saw those game videos and read up about it, I can't actually patiently wait for some months =(
    do like cartman, find a hill and bury yourself in the snow near a tree.

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    Ask Warhammer and Conan how their impressive beta signups faired for them :P

    People see free, and dive right in. Doesn't really take much to fill out a form.

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    I wonder how many of these Beta testers will actually test the game instead of just being the first to be able to play new game content?
    Really getting sick of new games being released with obvious bugs and the public beta has been out for months.

    To the lucky people that get in, good luck. Just remember you are there as a Beta Tester and not just a game player that can scream out "First"

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    Quote Originally Posted by fangless View Post
    Ask Warhammer and Conan how their impressive beta signups faired for them :P

    People see free, and dive right in. Doesn't really take much to fill out a form.
    I don't think that's a fair comparison. Didn't both of those games spend a lot of times TALKING about how great their game would be, claiming to be WoW killers all the while, only to completely fall short of expectations?

    ANet has been showing their gameplay, and so far... meeting expectations, and working hard to surpass them. It's been in development for 5 years - rivaling how long WoW was in development.
    I hope you haven't forgotten my role in this little story. I'm the leading man. You know what they say about the leading man? He never dies.

    If you give in to your impulses in this world, the price is that it changes your personality in the real world. The player and character are one and the same.

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